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You could always DSR up to 1440P for comparisons.

Man... Quantum break has given me motion sickness. The constant variations in FPS of 60 to 30 to 75 to 100 to 25 is literally making me feel like throwing up. I am nauseated after playing playing for 1.5 hours.

It's a good game though, but where did they go wrong with optimization... I think they need to rebuild their engine.

Oh yeah the dsr I haven't used it, like ever biggrin.gif lol

Yeah I played through it, finished it just yesterday, it was a blast, but man, the optimization was HORRIBLE. I played with upscaling turned off and at times it dipped below 40 in a few gunfights...it was really pissing me off. I will play through the game once again, but this time with upscaling turned on to see if the framerate wil stay above 60 all the time even in the most intense gunfights. But I gotta say, the graphics in this game, more specifically, the effects, are probably the best I have ever seen in any game. With alan wake, remedy has done a fantastic job on the effects and with quantum break they took it on a whole another level...brilliant game all around.
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Oh yeah the dsr I haven't used it, like ever biggrin.gif lol

Yeah I played through it, finished it just yesterday, it was a blast, but man, the optimization was HORRIBLE. I played with upscaling turned off and at times it dipped below 40 in a few gunfights...it was really pissing me off. I will play through the game once again, but this time with upscaling turned on to see if the framerate wil stay above 60 all the time even in the most intense gunfights. But I gotta say, the graphics in this game, more specifically, the effects, are probably the best I have ever seen in any game. With alan wake, remedy has done a fantastic job on the effects and with quantum break they took it on a whole another level...brilliant game all around.

I think I need to play with upscaling on as well, because I don't want to feel like this again. Might have to take some medicine, lol.
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I think I need to play with upscaling on as well, because I don't want to feel like this again. Might have to take some medicine, lol.

with upscaling turned off it cleans up the image significantly, it no longer renders the game at 720p and upscales it with heavy antialiasing but it renders on the resolution of your choice, for me it was at 1080p. I tried to dsr to 4K without the upscaling just now and man, the game does look crisp and clean, but I can't be bothered to play this kind of game with sub 30 fps...no freaking way..Especially after I just installed a played Mad Max for a little while after a year and with everything on ultra Iam getting over 300 frames per second, which is ridiculous. With dsr to 4K over 100 fps too, that's how games should be optimized
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both good plans, guys.

Y, I am also taking your advice and I will wait for 7740k. If Upgrading I might as well snag new best chip with new generation of MOBO as well....

In the meantime I was OCing my 4790k today. 4.8 Ghz stable right now, 61 C under load, 1.25V. I will try to go for 5.0 Ghz tomorrow.

I am also gonna upgrade from 2133 RAM to 2400 and wait for now.

Thanks for advice smile.gif



Going back to topic- can't decide between MSI GAMING X and ROG STRIX. Both will look sick in my black-red RIG but both looks great. I like top ROG RGB asus Icon but I also like MSI side RGB dragon and msi text....

Can't decide frown.gif
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You could always DSR up to 1440P for comparisons.

Man... Quantum break has given me motion sickness. The constant variations in FPS of 60 to 30 to 75 to 100 to 25 is literally making me feel like throwing up. I am nauseated after playing playing for 1.5 hours.

It's a good game though, but where did they go wrong with optimization... I think they need to rebuild their engine.

I know, such a waste of a good game. I had to bite the bullet and turn upscaling on when I played it, it was way too janky at 1440p native.
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Y, I am also taking your advice and I will wait for 7740k. If Upgrading I might as well snag new best chip with new generation of MOBO as well....

In the meantime I was OCing my 4790k today. 4.8 Ghz stable right now, 61 C under load, 1.25V. I will try to go for 5.0 Ghz tomorrow.

I am also gonna upgrade from 2133 RAM to 2400 and wait for now.

Thanks for advice smile.gif



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Can't decide frown.gif
tough call but it's a win/win. MSI has 3 year warranty, not sure on Asus.

your welcome. glad i could help. If you are hitting 4.8 stable at 1.25v, that is a golden 4790k. It should hit 4.9 easily and probably 5.0, which makes it worth more for resell value like how Silicon Lottery does it. I know that the 4.9s were $380 and the 5.0 were like $425 on his store binned. Very nice one.
Edited by Slackaveli - 4/2/17 at 4:14pm
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If youre just gaming it'd be a waste of an upgrade. I'm running a stock 3770k and I see around 50% cpu usage @4k. If you have a workstation or a ton of background apps running i can see going ryzen. I can see the allure though. Ryzen is a very good budget upgrade right now. The new R5 lineup is VERY attractive, not gonna lie.

Actually, even if you're not seeing 100% CPU usage, you will still get less performance than newer CPU's. For example, in most games, the 7700k will outdo the 4790k by 10% or more FPS. This is the behavior even when the GPU is the bottleneck and the CPU isn't 100% loaded. So just because you're not seeing full load, doesn't mean you're not losing performance.

I think the reason for this behavior, and I've used this to prove why AMD chips perform less even if they have 16 threads, is because it's not what your CPU can do in one full second, it's what it can do in a few milliseconds that matters. It reminds me back when games would actually perform better on DDR1 with faster timings, even though it provided less overall bandwidth performance.

Let's say your CPU is effectively idling every other 2 milliseconds....you'd never know, because your display doesn't update that quickly. Even on a 165hz screen, the display only updates once every 6ms. So you could effectively be at half CPU usage, and it could appear like 100% CPU usage.

The thing about gaming, is if you want say 100fps, you need to draw a frame every 10ms. If your CPU can't perform the needed tasks in that 10ms, and does it in 12ms instead, that's how you lose frame rates, even if you actually have 'low' CPU usage.

There's also probably other features at play like newer instruction sets which accelerate certain math.

When it comes to gaming, sadly, CPU usage doesn't really mean you're not losing performance.

When I did the math between Ryzen and the 7700k in gaming, both with a 1080ti, the Ryzen chip not only delivered less FPS, it was actually on average, loaded more. The average load of the entire CPU was something like 54%, while the 7700k was loaded to something like 90%. Well if you consider that the 7700k has half the cores, 90% of 50% is just 45%.
Edited by AMDATI - 4/2/17 at 4:20pm
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Actually, even if you're not seeing 100% CPU usage, you will still get less performance than newer CPU's. For example, in most games, the 7700k will outdo the 4790k by 10% or more FPS. This is the behavior even when the GPU is the bottleneck and the CPU isn't 100% loaded. So just because you're not seeing full load, doesn't mean you're not losing performance.

I think the reason for this behavior, and I've used this to prove why AMD chips perform less even if they have 16 threads, is because it's not what your CPU can do in one full second, it's what it can do in a few milliseconds that matters.

Let's say your CPU is effectively idling every other 2 milliseconds....you'd never know, because your display doesn't update that quickly. Even on a 165hz screen, the display only updates once every 6ms. So you could effectively be at half CPU usage, and it could appear like 100% CPU usage.

The thing about gaming, is if you want say 100fps, you need to draw a frame every 10ms. If your CPU can't perform the needed tasks in that 10ms, and 12ms instead, that's how you lose frame rates, even if you actually have 'low' CPU usage.

Of course 770k will be better than 4790k in most games. But that depends on many things how much. Here you can see 4790k vs 7700k:




Of course 7700k will provide in most games higher min frame rates, but again- are 5-9 fps worth upgrading now? Then there is OC, game engine, resolution, optimalization etc. Clock for clock 4,9 vs 4,9 both CPUs are very close.

Overall, difference is not big enough to FEEL like meaningfull upgrade in games.

If you use PC not only for gaming, I would go for 7700k of course. But for gaming alone...meh...



Any review of Aorus Extreme yet??

Edited by Benny89 - 4/2/17 at 4:22pm
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Of course 770k will be better than 4790k in most games. But that depends on many things how much. Here you can see 4790k vs 7700k: Of course 7700k will provide in some games higher min frame rates, but again- are 5-9 fps worth upgrading now? Then there is OC, game engine, resolution, optimalization etc. Clock for clock 4,9 vs 4,9 both CPUs are very close.

Overall, difference is not big enough to FEEL like meaningfull upgrades in games.

If you use PC not only for gaming, I would go for 7700k of course.



Any review of Aorus Extreme yet??

I think you're missing the point.....CPU usage doesn't mean you're not losing performance. You could look at a game at 50% CPU usage and think "Oh I'm getting just as good performance as everyone else with room to spare", but that's not the case at all. That 50% usage might as well read 100% usage.

The comment had nothing to do with price to performance gain ratio.
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I think you're missing the point.....CPU usage doesn't mean you're not losing performance. You could look at a game at 50% CPU usage and think "Oh I'm getting just as good performance as everyone else with room to spare", but that's not the case at all. That 50% usage might as well read 100% usage.

I am talking about pure fps numbers in games, not about usage. I know usage means poop. Fps are what I am talking about.

As I said there is difference but very small. In an age when we play at 80-120 fps this is no where meaningfull difference. This is not any longer a matter of going from 50 to 60 fps. Especially at higher resolutions.
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