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Originally Posted by Slackaveli View Post

MSI X back in stock
For example, if you have an Aorus Ti and can hold clocks at least where the Extreme's pre-set OC mode is, why would you not flash the Extreme Bios (provided you are willing to risk warranty in case it dies with the other bios)?


Guys with cpu issues who are waiting on the next big thing, here's some good news.
http://wccftech.com/intel-basin-falls-x299-hedt-platform/

Flashing bios for non-fe is fine. You guys are not power limited thanks to the way your cards are setup.
post #4632 of 10537
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Originally Posted by Slackaveli View Post

MSI X back in stock
For example, if you have an Aorus Ti and can hold clocks at least where the Extreme's pre-set OC mode is, why would you not flash the Extreme Bios (provided you are willing to risk warranty in case it dies with the other bios)?


Guys with cpu issues who are waiting on the next big thing, here's some good news.
http://wccftech.com/intel-basin-falls-x299-hedt-platform/
more importantly , you need that 2076 at least to say you are running a 15 TFLOPs card. My OCD loves this!

I would do it in a heartbeat. Since i know how tor recover from a bad flash and have the necessary tools to manually flash the stock BIOS over without causes physical damage. Thats why i had the XOC unlocked BIOS as the slave BIOS on the FTW Hybrid.
For now im waiting on the Ti Classified, until then lets see how far i can push the FE without breaking.
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Yeah that will happen if the TDP is way too low and limited to 120%. Already tested that, and that is the reason why FS Ultra power throttles hard!

And there is no harm in running above 1.050V, IF you are under TDP. IF the TDP is not reached yet, then the GPU will easily utilize that extra voltage. For example , in TimeSpy 90% of the benchmark is able to run @ 2050Mhz - 1.093V, but certain sections throttle down to 1989-2012Mhz (1.050-1.070V). However when using the FE Stock BIOS, the throttle kicks in way more , more like 80% of the run stays under TDP and the rest throttles.

Also ill say it again, any accurate comparisons, can only be done when the GPU is kept sub 40C.

I wasn't saying there's harm in running higher voltages, but higher voltages will make you hit that power limit and when you do, you get a second or two of poor performance as your card has to run calculations and slow things down and lower voltages.

It's better to run a constant core and not hit power limits. Game play is much smoother this way.

Yeah it was awesome in Witcher 3 I'd hit my highest fps ever but then it would stutter and I would notice clocks going from 2100 to 2088 2075 then down to 2050 and back to 2100.

Now I'm just running low voltage and 2088 Mhz and it just stays there, occasionally it will drop to 2075 but it doesn't jump around like crazy and my Gameplay is smooth.

Someone else measured the watts of their system with the stock and Asus bios and they didn't see the system draw 30 more watts either. There's that.
post #4634 of 10537
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Originally Posted by JedixJarf View Post

2050 is pretty avg for the most part. The coveted 2100 is what you should be looking for : P, you need those extra 2 FPS.
more importantly , you need that 2076 at least to say you are running a 15TFLOP card. My OCD loves this!
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Picked up the GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1080 Ti GAMING OC 11GB Video Card a few days back. Love the HUGE difference between my Sapphire Nitro 390 and this. Night and day. I think I literally doubled my fps at 1440p gaming.

I am going to return it however, due to a couple of issues.

1. No backplate.
2. Heat seems a bit higher than i'd like. I think it's averaging around 75°C while gaming.
3. I can't seem to get the oc higher than 1830 in the Aorus oc settings. I'm new to the nvidia side, so i'm not sure if that's the end result that i'm looking at (Don't burn me at the stake).

I'll probably end up dropping the $80 extra bucks and get the Asus Strix, or hold out for the eVGA FTW2 edition that comes out in May.

Anyone else with the same card, hmu and let me know what settings you're using.
bro, set your LEDs how you like them, reset clocks/prfiles in Aorus software (the curve in it is terrible and you need the curve), and close it out (make sure you dont have it set it load up at startup), and USE MSI Afterburner to OC. That's first. Definitely run it high fans, and have you considered a re-paste with thermal grizzly kyro? that's 4-5c right there for $10/10minutes time.

You can get better clocks than that. Remember, though, you are already at +89 core off the top (edit: that's Aorus reggie, yours is +39 i believe) and some Tis only accept +100 to 120 core(from default FE which is 1480 core). just go up in increments of 13 until you freeze up in Heaven then back down 13-26 for stability. Set up a fan curve that hits 100% (it aint bad noisewise , the benefit is huge tempwise) at 59c. hit ctrl+f to open the curve, click on the 1.05v spot and hit ctrl+L to lock it there and save. Also, you may only be able to run about +250-350 on the memory for best performance and no artifacting.


ENJOY. Card is a beast.


EDIT: misread what card you had but the premise is the same. I recommend the Aorus, Aorus X, Asus, or MSI gaming X. Or, SEAHAWK X MSI hybrid. All of these can be had.
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I wasn't saying there's harm in running higher voltages, but higher voltages will make you hit that power limit and when you do, you get a second or two of poor performance as your card has to run calculations and slow things down and lower voltages.

It's better to run a constant core and not hit power limits. Game play is much smoother this way.

Yeah it was awesome in Witcher 3 I'd hit my highest fps ever but then it would stutter and I would notice clocks going from 2100 to 2088 2075 then down to 2050 and back to 2100.

Now I'm just running low voltage and 2088 Mhz and it just stays there, occasionally it will drop to 2075 but it doesn't jump around like crazy and my Gameplay is smooth.

Someone else measured the watts of their system with the stock and Asus bios and they didn't see the system draw 30 more watts either. There's that.

True that.

I think the main reason why people arent seeing benefits is because -

- Either they are running 2050+ @ 1.093V and hitting power / Temp throttles.

- Their temperatures arent really optimal to test without even a but of throttling.

I feel that the main reason im seeing improvements, is because my card is a ****ting clocker. With stock my peak power draw on the GPU was @ 295W. With the Strix BIOS im able to touch 330W. So that i pretty much in line with the other persons observations.

End of the day anything over 2025Mhz will add another 3-5fps at the most, and wont really causes too many frame incosistencies, unless the clocks start dropping down into the 19XX's.

In actually gaming anything over 2000Mhz is pointless.

This however is all for the sweet sweet epeen tongue.gif

This is what i can do with my HARD TDP limited 1080's in my laptop -

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12084682

That cap is going away very soon. Right now they are at a 200W limit.
Edited by bloodhawk - 4/10/17 at 10:27am
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Flashing bios for non-fe is fine. You guys are not power limited thanks to the way your cards are setup.
yeah I always watch Wizard's PCB breakdown videos. I really like the way giga has these running very low frequencies but with high phase switching, it's very stable.
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True that.

I think the main reason why people arent seeing benefits is because -

- Either they are running 2050+ @ 1.093V and hitting power / Temp throttles.

- Their temperatures arent really optimal to test without even a but of throttling.

End of the day anything over 2025Mhz will add another 3-5fps at the most, and wont really causes too many frame incosistencies, unless the clocks start dropping down into the 19XX's.

In actually gaming anything over 2000Mhz is pointless.

This however is all for the sweet sweet epeen tongue.gif

This is what i can do with my HARD TDP limited 1080's in my laptop -

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12084682

That cap is going away very soon. Right now they are at a 200W limit.

Well another thing about the Asus bios, I would set it to max 2088 at 1.050V and before I knew it it would be doing 2088 at 1.081V!

I think it's because it thinks we have 350 watts of tdp and it just tells the card to run at the highest voltage+Yolo

The Asus bios would not run at a lower voltage, at least not for long. It literally had a mind of its own, doing what it thought was right because it probably thinks I'm using an Asus card.

Kendrawolf recently did some test and came to realize his test were better on stock. And he's is or was the biggest advocate for the Asus bios.

What we truly need is a bios editor but I don't know if that's going to happen.
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Originally Posted by bloodhawk View Post

True that.

I think the main reason why people arent seeing benefits is because -

- Either they are running 2050+ @ 1.093V and hitting power / Temp throttles.

- Their temperatures arent really optimal to test without even a but of throttling.

I feel that the main reason im seeing improvements, is because my card is a ****ting clocker. With stock my peak power draw on the GPU was @ 295W. With the Strix BIOS im able to touch 330W. So that i pretty much in line with the other persons observations.

End of the day anything over 2025Mhz will add another 3-5fps at the most, and wont really causes too many frame incosistencies, unless the clocks start dropping down into the 19XX's.

In actually gaming anything over 2000Mhz is pointless.

This however is all for the sweet sweet epeen tongue.gif

This is what i can do with my HARD TDP limited 1080's in my laptop -

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12084682

That cap is going away very soon. Right now they are at a 200W limit.
agreed. Wasnt until i locked voltages a little bit lower that i could hold 2076/2063 in games for long sessions (on air) but i can now. Love this card.
As for temps, i was at great temps , 62c, in long sessions but yesterday i beat all my scores in benches with my same games stable settings just by opening the door, lowering the house temp 6f to 67f, and sticking a house fan next to my rig as an exhaust. I held 50c like that. Makes a difference in benches by a decent amount. I smashed all my records , like 7350 to 7505 in Firestrike Ultra for instance. All other settings equal.
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What we truly need is a bios editor but I don't know if that's going to happen.
it wont
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Well another thing about the Asus bios, I would set it to max 2088 at 1.050V and before I knew it it would be doing 2088 at 1.081V!

I think it's because it thinks we have 350 watts of tdp and it just tells the card to run at the highest voltage+Yolo

The Asus bios would not run at a lower voltage, at least not for long. It literally had a mind of its own, doing what it thought was right because it probably thinks I'm using an Asus card.

Kendrawolf recently did some test and came to realize his test were better on stock. And he's is or was the biggest advocate for the Asus bios.

What we truly need is a bios editor but I don't know if that's going to happen.

Yeah that is clearly pointing to TDP Throttling./Limits.

Ill do the power mods on Wednesday hopefully, and compare the 2. I have a hex edited version ready, just need to flash it using my programmer and see if it work. Ah well next weekend it is.

I actually had it opposite, my FE BIOS was all over the place, the Strix is stable as hell for me.
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Yeah that will happen if the TDP is way too low and limited to 120%. Already tested that, and that is the reason why FS Ultra power throttles hard!

And there is no harm in running above 1.050V, IF you are under TDP. IF the TDP is not reached yet, then the GPU will easily utilize that extra voltage. For example , in TimeSpy 90% of the benchmark is able to run @ 2050Mhz - 1.093V, but certain sections throttle down to 1989-2012Mhz (1.050-1.070V). However when using the FE Stock BIOS, the throttle kicks in way more , more like 80% of the run stays under TDP and the rest throttles.

Also ill say it again, any accurate comparisons, can only be done when the GPU is kept sub 40C.

I wasn't saying there's harm in running higher voltages, but higher voltages will make you hit that power limit and when you do, you get a second or two of poor performance as your card has to run calculations and slow things down and lower voltages.

It's better to run a constant core and not hit power limits. Game play is much smoother this way.

Yeah it was awesome in Witcher 3 I'd hit my highest fps ever but then it would stutter and I would notice clocks going from 2100 to 2088 2075 then down to 2050 and back to 2100.

Now I'm just running low voltage and 2088 Mhz and it just stays there, occasionally it will drop to 2075 but it doesn't jump around like crazy and my Gameplay is smooth.

Someone else measured the watts of their system with the stock and Asus bios and they didn't see the system draw 30 more watts either. There's that.

My FE benches higher at 2050 core 1.025v on stock BIOS than at 2088 core, 1.075v Asus BIOS, not much higher, but a bit. And at 1.025v it throttles pretty much the same as 2088 at 1.075v.


In all cases I get slightly better benchmarks with stock BIOS at 2050 core, 1.025v.

GPU-Z stock BIOS at 2050 core, 1.025v.

Stock2050FullscreenHeaven.txt 68k .txt file

Stock2050Catzilla4K.txt 52k .txt file

Stock2050FireStrikeUltra.txt 51k .txt file

Stock2050TimeSpy.txt 71k .txt file

Asus BIOS 2088 core, 1.075v.

ASUS2088HeavenFullscreen.txt 99k .txt file

ASUS2088Catzilla4k.txt 52k .txt file

Asus2088FireStrikeUltra.txt 56k .txt file

Asus2088TimeSpy.txt 50k .txt file

Edit: Since I installed the Creator's Update of Windows I can only do 2088 on Asus BIOS no matter the voltages used, not 2100 any more. redface.gif
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