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Microcenters seem to be stocking up on STRIX today (in-store only) so check local. Also seem to be able to select in-store pickup.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/478276/GeForce_GTX_1080_Ti_STRIX_ROG_Overclocked_11GB_GDDR5X_GAMING_Video_Card

Finally, reserved one for pickup. You have better chances of running into a unicorn than finding one of these things in store. Now to see how to get the wife to approve. sad-smiley-002.gif
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People thought that the ASUS bios gave you an extra 30 watts of TDP, I'm here to prove this absolutely wrong.

Here's the verdict, the ASUS bios doesn't give you anything. Please take a look at the results below, you don't get that extra 30 watts you thought you did. Running furmark, you can see here that the ASUS bios drew 10 more watts, but I have to tell you that it was just near the end of the end of the test where power usage was %112.



Asus Power Draw 275 * 1.12 = 308 Watts

This is equal to the times on stock where I would hit 124% just for a brief few seconds playing Witcher 3. Here's the stock bios below hitting 122%. But I usually have it hit 124% a few times.



Stock Power Draw 250 * 1.24 = 310 Watts

So there you have it folks. The freaking ASUS bios gives you +30 extra watts is complete BS.

Please stop flashing it, it just gives you worse results. Those of you who think you're overcoming power limits and getting better results, sorry but you're not.


Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that the Asus BIOS hits the power limits less often and throttles less because of that. Plus people are getting higher stable clocks with it. And your power supply output isn't really the definitive answer as to whether or not the BIOS is pulling extra watts. You might want to run that nvidia-smi.exe command someone suggested while benching with Furmark running, that would really tell you if it's pulling more wattage. poke.gif
    
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Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that the Asus BIOS hits the power limits less often and throttles less because of that. Plus people are getting higher stable clocks with it. And your power supply output isn't really the definitive answer as to whether or not the BIOS is pulling extra watts. You might want to run that nvidia-smi.exe command someone suggested while benching with Furmark running, that would really tell you if it's pulling more wattage. poke.gif

It might be correct that the Asus bios doesn't do anything or add extra performance due to higher OC. But for me personally I could never reach 2088 with the FE bios, I tried 2100 yesterday and even got TS and FS to run:

Firestrike at 2100: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/19189465
Timespy at 2100: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/19189637
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It might be correct that the Asus bios doesn't do anything or add extra performance due to higher OC. But for me personally I could never reach 2088 with the FE bios, I tried 2100 yesterday and even got TS and FS to run:

Firestrike at 2100: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/19189465
Timespy at 2100: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/19189637

Higher clocks on ASUS bios actually perform worse than lower clocks on FE bios. Run Heaven and make sure your actually seeing an increase in performance. In the Asus bios I ran @ 2088MHz but I scored lower than running my stock FE bios @ 2050MHz.
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Higher clocks on ASUS bios actually perform worse than lower clocks on FE bios. Run Heaven and make sure your actually seeing an increase in performance. In the Asus bios I ran @ 2088MHz but I scored lower than running my stock FE bios @ 2050MHz.

Yeah i heard multiple people having that issue. i will try to flash the FE bios when i get the time later.
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Higher clocks on ASUS bios actually perform worse than lower clocks on FE bios. 

Wonder why this is.

   
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Can confirm, I found a Timespy score from before i flashed the Strix bios with the core running at 2076 instead of 2100. The FE bios yields higher GPU score:

Strix bios at 2100: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/19189637
FE bios at 2076: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/18935211

The FE bios test does have a slightly higher OC bus I doubt that is the difference here.
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Well, STRIX, AORUS, MSI Bios was never meant for FE so I am not supprised they do not provide improvement.
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I'd consider 20 points within a margin of error. Were both runs running the same voltage curve? I got a better TS score by making sure the bins the card dropped back to weren't ridiculous like 1960Mhz. http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1534371

Not sure how useful furmark is, the whole idea there is to draw power, so even with an extra 10% TDP overhead it's going to send the card back down the curve. End of the day we're talking one or two potential bins that can be sustained on a partner card compared to the FE.

Really want to see how some of the partner cards go under full cover blocks.
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Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that the Asus BIOS hits the power limits less often and throttles less because of that. Plus people are getting higher stable clocks with it. And your power supply output isn't really the definitive answer as to whether or not the BIOS is pulling extra watts. You might want to run that nvidia-smi.exe command someone suggested while benching with Furmark running, that would really tell you if it's pulling more wattage. poke.gif

First off, the stock voltage for the Asus starts at 1.062V so you're going to actually hit power limits sooner.

Second, this bios thinks the card has access to 350 watts but it doesn't. So it'll keep your clocks where they are because it thinks you have 350 watts to draw from but you do not. You're running a gimped OC and that's why your score is worse in benchmarks. And this is the worse thing that can happen because people here think "oh look, my clocks aren't changing." this is equal to me just going to a point on the graph and force locking with ctrl + L at a voltage and core which shouldn't be done if you don't have the power to actually run that core at that voltage in power hungry games, you get worse performance.

Third, as I played Witcher 3, the Asus bios, even though I capped it at 1.050V with a voltage curve, would increase voltage on its own to 1.081V and even 1.092V. From here on my perf cap, it was bouncing in the green zone over and over again. This is probably happening because the Asus bios thinks there is 350 watts available to it and there isn't. WE CAN ONLY DRAW 300!

If someone did a shunt mod, the Asus bios might work better. But by itself it just cripples your performance.

You should at least update your Asus topic and let people know this doesn't magically overcome power limiting. If anything, it. Causes power limiting since the voltage starts at 1.062V unless you down volt it with a curve which again doesn't work.
Edited by SlimJ87D - 4/11/17 at 8:09am
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