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The best quality acrylic still will not be as scratch resistant as tempered glass.

Oh no definitely not. I could scratch the acrylic on both side-panels with a fingernail if I tried. For sheer quality and scratch resistance, nothing really compares to tempered glass if you want to see through the panel...

Does anyone know what the new 'snowblind' ibuypower side-panel is made out of? The one that acts as another display?

It's just another display. The idea was taken from one of my good friends Chris Albee, who did a mod 4+ years ago called "Visible Contrast." It garnered a lot of attention back then. Needless to say, Chris was not amused when it showed up in a product for sale.

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How about transparent aluminum (Aluminum Oxynitride)?

That would be the dream, wouldn't it? lol Unfortunately, until it's widely used (and I imagine some of it's first uses will be in Spacecraft, which would be amazing to see) I don't see the consumer sector being able to afford it. I read somewhere that the cost was about $10 per square inch, pretty pricey as far as material goes for a PC.
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That's actually way cheaper than I would expect. Yeah you can't pay $1000 for a window on the side of your case but I figured something like that would cost tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands.
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That's actually way cheaper than I would expect. Yeah you can't pay $1000 for a window on the side of your case but I figured something like that would cost tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands.

Well it's there at the same level with a carbon fiber body, anodized titanium screws, and custom 3d-printed pieces instead of molded plastic.

If you really want a massively over-engineered case, you know how to make one now biggrin.gif
     
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Tempered glass has very little to do with build quality. Clearly, we have our critics, but having a tempered glass window that will sell in a case with 100K unit sales will be quite different than a case that sell in the hundreds.They typically choose to ignore that and insist that we meet par without consideration to volume. That is unrealistic, if not naive. On the other hand, we offer features that you will never see in a mainstream case. Good luck finding a case from the "big guys" that meets out build quality. We all know it won't happen because their pricing formulas are very different than ours and their cases would cost over $1K if they met our standards.

That's not to say that we won't update our designs to meet market demand (we will), but beware the "armchair MBAs" who would presume to tell us "how things should be" without any credentials to back themselves up. Once asked, they will likely slink away into the darkness from which they came.

No, "We all know it won't happen because their pricing formulas are very different than ours and their cases would cost over $1K if they met our standards." That's just absurd.

I ran an estimate again with One Day Glass in Vancouver, WA for 10 ea of 1/8" x 16" x 16" tempered glass. The total for all ten pieces was $126.80 ($12.68 each) plus $39.00 for shipping all ten pieces to Tempe, AZ. That amounts to only $16.58 each.

For only one piece of glass, the cost was $20 plus $16 shipping for a total of $36. You can see how the cost goes down dramatically when ordering just ten pieces of glass instead of one and you would probably be ordering far more than that; more like dozens, if not hundreds (per your own statement above).

This estimate was for glass with a seamed edge finish (the edges are sanded to eliminate sharp edges but will have some minor defects) and no holes. You do not need holes to install a window. 20 mil, 3/4" 3M VHB tape will hold more than adequately and costs only $3.55 per window when bought in 72 yard rolls from Find Tape.com (it would take a bit less than 1.8 yards to mount one 16" square window), including shipping from Nevada to Tempe, AZ.

That's a little less than $21 per window when ordered in lots of ten. Based on the number of requests for tempered glass windows in another thread where you all asked what people would like to see in Case Labs cases (it was one of the most frequent requests, if not the most frequent), I'm sure most people would be willing to pay that much extra per window for tempered glass on a case that cost several hundred dollars. Since I'm sure you would be able to order more than just ten of any size, you should be able to beat even these prices.
     
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I would like to apologize for, and retract, the recent statements made by CaseLabs staff regarding tempered glass. They were in poor taste and do not reflect the opinions of CaseLabs but that of an individual employee. We do not condone these types of remarks towards our customers, community members or competitors. We have always (and will continue to) welcome discussion and feedback from the community (positive or negative).

As for tempered glass, CaseLabs is actively investigating this for our product portfolio and hope to have news on this front later this year.

Thank you,

Kevin Keating
General Manager
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I would like to apologize for, and retract, the recent statements made by CaseLabs staff regarding tempered glass. They were in poor taste and do not reflect the opinions of CaseLabs but that of an individual employee. We do not condone these types of remarks towards our customers, community members or competitors. We have always (and will continue to) welcome discussion and feedback from the community (positive or negative).

As for tempered glass, CaseLabs is actively investigating this for our product portfolio and hope to have news on this front later this year.

Thank you,

Kevin Keating
General Manager
CaseLabs

Thank you!
     
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Tempered glass has very little to do with build quality. Clearly, we have our critics, but having a tempered glass window that will sell in a case with 100K unit sales will be quite different than a case that sell in the hundreds.They typically choose to ignore that and insist that we meet par without consideration to volume. That is unrealistic, if not naive. On the other hand, we offer features that you will never see in a mainstream case. Good luck finding a case from the "big guys" that meets out build quality. We all know it won't happen because their pricing formulas are very different than ours and their cases would cost over $1K if they met our standards.

That's not to say that we won't update our designs to meet market demand (we will), but beware the "armchair MBAs" who would presume to tell us "how things should be" without any credentials to back themselves up. Once asked, they will likely slink away into the darkness from which they came.

I have a Caselabs SMA8. I must say that the case has an outstanding modularity and space but I find the quality standards not that great tbh. The aesthetics arent great either.

I will briefly explain my issues.

1. Quality:
I don't know if its my Unit but I guess it should be expected with Aluminium. Its a lot fragile compared to Steel or steel alloys. I have a bit of warping going on in my Side/ front and top covers. The top on has significant warping. This is all with normal use. Since these panels are made of aluminium they have a lot of flex . So yeah your quality is not that outstanding.



I have a few spots on my case where the powder coating chipped off. They are less than 1mm , but still.


2. Asthetics:

The front panel..The 5.25inch bays are not accurate and there is a lot of gap on either sides of my aquareo. These bays seem to be a bit wider and the game give it an ugly look with my internal lighting leaking out from these gaps.

The front panel bends on the top and the bottom are not perfect 90deg bends, So they have this weird angle.

I will post pics when I can.

The cable holes inside the case are just ugly. They would be so much cleaner if they were rectangular in shape instead.

The top radiator mounting location is pretty bad. There is too much space at the front side and almost no space at the back. Ends up being a tight fit for the radiator fans near the mobo area.
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I have a Caselabs SMA8. I must say that the case has an outstanding modularity and space but I find the quality standards not that great tbh. The aesthetics arent great either.

I will briefly explain my issues.

1. Quality:
I don't know if its my Unit but I guess it should be expected with Aluminium. Its a lot fragile compared to Steel or steel alloys. I have a bit of warping going on in my Side/ front and top covers. The top on has significant warping. This is all with normal use. Since these panels are made of aluminium they have a lot of flex . So yeah your quality is not that outstanding.



I have a few spots on my case where the powder coating chipped off. They are less than 1mm , but still.


2. Asthetics:

The front panel..The 5.25inch bays are not accurate and there is a lot of gap on either sides of my aquareo. These bays seem to be a bit wider and the game give it an ugly look with my internal lighting leaking out from these gaps.

The front panel bends on the top and the bottom are not perfect 90deg bends, So they have this weird angle.

I will post pics when I can.

The cable holes inside the case are just ugly. They would be so much cleaner if they were rectangular in shape instead.

The top radiator mounting location is pretty bad. There is too much space at the front side and almost no space at the back. Ends up being a tight fit for the radiator fans near the mobo area.

I'm sorry to hear you didn't have a positive experience : (

Please email us at cs@caselabs.net so we can help you through your complaints.
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