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Having issues with my build

Getting stuck at 24; 0d code (had to remove ram twice before that one went away); 8 error out of the blue. Started happening after I flashed to the latest bios and then flashed back to 1001 (because latest bios has some issues with my ram sticks - would not work at anything about 2400)
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Originally Posted by DannyDK View Post

Have tried dram volts at 1.45 soc volts at 1.2 and even with timings as high as 20-24-24-24-50-2t (using 0083) and dram boot volts at 1.45 but its a no go, just have to settle for what i have now 2933mhz 15-16-16-16-35-2t i gues :-(
You should focus on true metrics (such as time), that's where the large percentage differences are.
Benches such as (http://forum.hwbot.org/showpost.php?p=479666&postcount=22) show only 1% difference between 2933 and 3200.
Latency time makes a bigger difference.
11 / 2.400 =4.58 nanoseconds
12 / 2.400 =5
14 / 2.666 =5.25
14 / 2.933 =4.77
14 / 3.200 =4.375
16 / 3.200 =5
16 / 2.933 =5.455 ns

Find the best latency your memory can do at 2933 or 2666 or 2400; it may give a better time that what it can do at 3200.
Also keep in mind that above 2400 the CL latency is even, so only 12, 14, 16 clock cycles. 15 gets rounded up to 16.

I don't know your motherboard or memory but the following may be of interest: I also was trying timings few days ago and got 3200-16 TridentZ to boot at 3200-14 on X370-PRO (0515 bios) with 1800X (1707 batch) set to 4 GHz in a strange way:
CPU 1.4625V, SOC 1.18, DRAM 1.45, VTTDDR 0.725 Boots to BIOS ok at 3200-14 at 3.6 then can change to 4GHz and it boots to BIOS at 3200-14 at 4.0 GHz.
Win10 says system_service_exception so this is not stable, but at least it boots to BIOS.
leaving VTTDDR on auto gives the same result. Going lower on CPU or SOC voltages and 3200-14 didn't boot.
With 0604 BIOS can only do 2666. Setting procODT on-die termination to 34, 40, 43, 48, 50, 53 ohms didn't help.

my memory is 3200-16-18-18-38, 2x8GB, Hynix M-die (reported by thaiphoon), single rank (reported by CPU-Z), dual channel (reported by gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-16gtzb)
Now it's back in C6H running 3200-16 under 0083 pre-release BIOS. I think May will have come and gone and we'd still have 1002 for C6H on the Asus site. Unattainable?
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Originally Posted by SpecChum View Post

I had similar when I first unlocked all 4096 cores on my Fury. The MSI dragon splashscreen on my motherboard would be corrupt; windows did still load tho.

This went away when I modified my BIOS to add +25mV to all P-states.

Interestingly, now, more often than not this new system doesn't wake my monitor up from sleep when I'm trying to enter BIOS, and I keep having to ctrl-alt-del until it does. Was fine on my Z97 so I've no idea what the issue is there; even bought a new DisplayPort cable but no better.

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Ah ok! Will definitely work with my GPU to fix this problem. Thanks!

For both, are your PCIe-x16 lanes at Gen3 or Gen2?

For me when I was running higher bclk that forced me into Gen2, I didn't have any of these problems with splash screens corrupting or raedon wattman crashing on game startup or whatnot. Now that I am running in the Bclk range that the lane will be Gen3, the gpu cant function properly at its factory settings of +63mv +80mhz.

Its a R9 290x. Will going above the already increased voltage be a safe thing to do or can i just call it quits with this one and run it at lower speeds until i replace it? I've not done much of any GPU overclocking so i dont know the safe voltages, or even if the factory overvolt already passed the safe voltage.
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For both, are your PCIe-x16 lanes at Gen3 or Gen2?

For me when I was running higher bclk that forced me into Gen2, I didn't have any of these problems with splash screens corrupting or raedon wattman crashing on game startup or whatnot. Now that I am running in the Bclk range that the lane will be Gen3, the gpu cant function properly at its factory settings of +63mv +80mhz.

Its a R9 290x. Will going above the already increased voltage be a safe thing to do or can i just call it quits with this one and run it at lower speeds until i replace it? I've not done much of any GPU overclocking so i dont know the safe voltages, or even if the factory overvolt already passed the safe voltage.

Mine is at Gen3, but I did not overclock using BCLK so it should be unrelated. Mine is set at the default 100mhz. Weird thing is that it was never a problem until new bios and creator's update. Either or could be the issue rather than the GPU.
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Finally got my ram stable at 3200 mhz boot strap with 16-15-15-15-35 timings! Went all out, did a bclk oc at 103 and got my 4016 mhz 3300 mhz ram oc! 1002 bios, im so happy right now biggrin.gif

This is an excellent ram kit for ryzen FYI :

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232496
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Originally Posted by 1TM1 View Post

You should focus on true metrics (such as time), that's where the large percentage differences are.
Benches such as (http://forum.hwbot.org/showpost.php?p=479666&postcount=22) show only 1% difference between 2933 and 3200.
Latency time makes a bigger difference.
11 / 2.400 =4.58 nanoseconds
12 / 2.400 =5
14 / 2.666 =5.25
14 / 2.933 =4.77
14 / 3.200 =4.375
16 / 3.200 =5
16 / 2.933 =5.455 ns

Find the best latency your memory can do at 2933 or 2666 or 2400; it may give a better time that what it can do at 3200.
Also keep in mind that above 2400 the CL latency is even, so only 12, 14, 16 clock cycles. 15 gets rounded up to 16.

I don't know your motherboard or memory but the following may be of interest: I also was trying timings few days ago and got 3200-16 TridentZ to boot at 3200-14 on X370-PRO (0515 bios) with 1800X (1707 batch) set to 4 GHz in a strange way:
CPU 1.4625V, SOC 1.18, DRAM 1.45, VTTDDR 0.725 Boots to BIOS ok at 3200-14 at 3.6 then can change to 4GHz and it boots to BIOS at 3200-14 at 4.0 GHz.
Win10 says system_service_exception so this is not stable, but at least it boots to BIOS.
leaving VTTDDR on auto gives the same result. Going lower on CPU or SOC voltages and 3200-14 didn't boot.
With 0604 BIOS can only do 2666. Setting procODT on-die termination to 34, 40, 43, 48, 50, 53 ohms didn't help.

my memory is 3200-16-18-18-38, 2x8GB, Hynix M-die (reported by thaiphoon), single rank (reported by CPU-Z), dual channel (reported by gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-16gtzb)
Now it's back in C6H running 3200-16 under 0083 pre-release BIOS. I think May will have come and gone and we'd still have 1002 for C6H on the Asus site. Unattainable?

1% in benches but could be a bit more in games, i saw way more then that in games between 2933 and 3200.

Ryzen and latency seems to make no difference, 1 nanosecond difference is so negligible i would LOVE to see anyone on this forum who can see a difference in day to day between a CL 16 and CL 14 and so on.

Someone posted an article somewhere that showed in games and benches the difference between cl 14, cl 16 and cl 18 is barely there, with cl 16 even beating out cl 14 in a few cases.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_Memory_Analysis/
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1% in benches but could be a bit more in games, i saw way more then that in games between 2933 and 3200.

Ryzen and latency seems to make no difference, 1 nanosecond difference is so negligible i would LOVE to see anyone on this forum who can see a difference in day to day between a CL 16 and CL 14 and so on.

Someone posted an article somewhere that showed in games and benches the difference between cl 14, cl 16 and cl 18 is barely there, with cl 16 even beating out cl 14 in a few cases.

I had my ram at 2933 cl 12, how close do you think that is to 3200 cl 14? Just out of curiosity.
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I had my ram at 2933 cl 12, how close do you think that is to 3200 cl 14? Just out of curiosity.

Not sure speed is still speed and latency is still latency. Heres the article see what you can find.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_Memory_Analysis/
    
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For both, are your PCIe-x16 lanes at Gen3 or Gen2?

For me when I was running higher bclk that forced me into Gen2, I didn't have any of these problems with splash screens corrupting or raedon wattman crashing on game startup or whatnot. Now that I am running in the Bclk range that the lane will be Gen3, the gpu cant function properly at its factory settings of +63mv +80mhz.

Its a R9 290x. Will going above the already increased voltage be a safe thing to do or can i just call it quits with this one and run it at lower speeds until i replace it? I've not done much of any GPU overclocking so i dont know the safe voltages, or even if the factory overvolt already passed the safe voltage.

Mine was a couple of years ago when I first unlocked my Fury, it was on my MSI Gaming 5 Z97 motherboard, not this one.
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@gupsterg

Did you ever have a failed boot issue that seemed unrelated to the CPU/Mobo?

I have now had two failed boots where the cause appears to be GPU related, but it has not happened prior to 0072 and Creator's Update.

It passes bios, but right before windows logo/loading screen, weird color lines appear across the screen and it does not load into windows. A quick restart fixed it both times.

Nope.

I have been using custom Fury X ROM on genuine Fury X on M7R/C6H. I have 2 ROMs setup, one on each bios position of card. One is undervolt ROM with stock clocks, other is OC ROM, 1145/545.

Undervolt ROM

- OCP Lowered for more protection.
- VRM temp protection lowered, for more protection if cooling fail.
- DPM 3 to 7 manually set with lower than stock VID, individually tailored VID through testing each DPM clock.

OC ROM

- OCP Lowered for more protection vs stock but not as low as undervolt ROM.
- VRM temp protection lowered, for more protection if cooling fail (same as undervolt ROM).
- DPM 3 to 6 manually set with lower than stock VID, individually tailored VID through testing each DPM clock.
- DPM 7 increased to 1145MHz GPU and manually VID is +56mV higher than stock VID for state.
- HBM 545MHz with +25mV offset plus OverDrive RAM matched to modded HBM clocks.
- Fuzzy Logic Fan profile tweak and sensitivity granularity improved plus fan limit of 2.2K removed so the Typhoon can go to 3K if required (which it does not, but when do a 1175MHz run I go for MAX fan manually set).
- PowerLimit increased as required for OC.

Both ROMs also use a custom UEFI module. Reason being is custom ROM will blackscreen if CSM disabled on mobo. CSM disabled creates "pure UEFI" environment, which I use for W10.

Mobo when in CSM disabled mode checks if there is UEFI/GOP in VBIOS, but does not authenticate UEFI/GOP in VBIOS if Secure Boot is disabled. I can not update signature in UEFI/GOP module of VBIOS. This UEFI/GOP was done for me by Lordkag of Fernando's Win RAID forum.

UEFI/GOP within VBIOS authenticates VBIOS when CSM disabled, it notes that section where I do mods is not stock. It knows that as there is signature in AMD ROMs which protects those areas, which I can't update. The custom UEFI/GOP is modded to bypass checking signature wink.gif . So I can use CSM disabled, Fast Boot enabled, but not Secure Boot.

The UEFI/GOP I use in VBIOS is version found in Polaris ROM. AMD UEFI/GOP module is "incremental" (ie latest version will contain support for previous GPUs). I have used this UEFI/GOP for Hawaii/Fiji/Polaris.
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For both, are your PCIe-x16 lanes at Gen3 or Gen2?



Gen 3 regardless of which VBIOS I use and if have "pure UEFI" environment or not plus regardless of mobo UEFI. My 3.8GHz OC does not have BCLK tweak but is just 100MHz.
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