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Most of my stories are lulus I've committed myself. I may share them somewhere at some point (have thought about it many times), but now is not a good time - we're trying to promote testing of a new UEFI build and trying to appear that we have a semblance of understanding the basics....capeesh? wink.gif

Oh, I understand completely! So, here's a good one for you from back in those pre-ATX days that you may appreciate:
In those days, the power button or switch was wired directly to the power supply. For a new build I was doing, I went to Frys Electronics(retail, I was living in the SF Bay area), picked up a case, motherboard, RAM, etc. Pull the case out of the box, and find that the front power button was not pre-connected, it had the standard 4-wire configuration. So, having done this more than a few times before, I connect the front power button, checking the manual(written in Japanese or Chinese, couldn't be sure), and didn't see anything odd. Now, it was common sense to just test the case, so, plug it into the tower, go to plug it into the wall, and a nice bolt of blue electricity flew out of the outlet, missed my hand by a quarter of an inch, and left a black scorch mark around the electric outlet.

So, it was Frys....put the case back in the box, bring it back to the store, and explain that it smelled like something was wrong, and it wasn't working. They took it back, no questions asked. I picked up a new case, and this time, the power button WAS pre-connected and no problems with the new build. For the following 5-6 years I lived in that apartment, I was afraid to use that outlet again, not because I didn't think it would work, but just from the memory.

Fun stuff. ATX eliminated that sort of problem since power buttons/switches go into the motherboard without power being a potential problem.
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Sheesh, I just picked up one of these boards, and now I'm scared to boot the thing after seeing this thread!!

Raja / Elmor: do you guys have any recommendations for starting out with this board? Should I flash to the latest available "public" BIOS (1002), or use one of the "beta" BIOSes I see a few hundred pages back (079 / 081, etc)? The RAM I bought is G.Skill TridentZ 3600mhz CL15. I just got the board and have not booted it yet, so if there's a "safe" path to follow to avoid bricking this beauty, I'd love to hear it!
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Sheesh, I just picked up one of these boards, and now I'm scared to boot the thing after seeing this thread!!

Raja / Elmor: do you guys have any recommendations for starting out with this board? Should I flash to the latest available "public" BIOS (1002), or use one of the "beta" BIOSes I see a few hundred pages back (079 / 081, etc)? The RAM I bought is G.Skill TridentZ 3600mhz CL15. I just got the board and have not booted it yet, so if there's a "safe" path to follow to avoid bricking this beauty, I'd love to hear it!
I was in the same situation as you a week or so ago and from what I could understand in this thread, the 0081 will become the next public release.

So I went with that and have had very few problems. 3200 C14 is no problem, CPU at 3,9 GHz in my 24/7 configuration.
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Hello

If testing 64GB of memory GSAT is a much quicker option. 2 to 3 hours should uncover most any issue.

i'll give that a go in the eve. thanks!
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Sheesh, I just picked up one of these boards, and now I'm scared to boot the thing after seeing this thread!!

Raja / Elmor: do you guys have any recommendations for starting out with this board? Should I flash to the latest available "public" BIOS (1002), or use one of the "beta" BIOSes I see a few hundred pages back (079 / 081, etc)? The RAM I bought is G.Skill TridentZ 3600mhz CL15. I just got the board and have not booted it yet, so if there's a "safe" path to follow to avoid bricking this beauty, I'd love to hear it!

First thing is to make sure you are at LEAST at 0902. As long as you have that version or newer, you will be fairly safe(you won't brick your motherboard).

This board(and thread), has a LOT of enthusiasts that will really dig, and don't mind having to re-install Windows more than 20 times(it's a pain, but not horrible). As a result, you will see a LOT of discussion about the new versions that have come out over time, do they work, can they get them to overclock, getting the rated speed out of their memory, and so on.

Don't be afraid, it is the nature of the enthusiast community to talk about what works, what doesn't, when things break, and what they did to fix(or not fix) their problems.

Now, what RAM did you get, not just the brand, but the exact model, since that will play into which BIOS you should try using. 1002 or 0902 for those who want to play it safe, 0079-0083 for those testing the new stuff(which does have issues, but nothing that can't be fixed with some tweaking).
post #10316 of 17643
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just because its on the QVL and / or works for someone else, doesn't mean it will work for you. if you take the time and go through this thread, you can find countless posts of individuals with one kit, even kits on the QVL, working for some, but not others.

ram compatibility will be heavily influenced on the quality of your processor and the tweaks asus has done with the crosshair. one kit may work for one, but won't work for another with the same exact everything because either the processor, the motherboard, or a mixture of both. for example, my g.skill flare x 2x8gb 16gb 3200mhz kit will NOT work at 3200mhz correctly. i have cold boot issues. cold boot issues at 3200 with 0902 and 1002 along with bios from 0079 and onward made worse. at first i thought it was the quality of the IMC on my 1800x, but if i go and toss my 1800x and flare x kit into a gigabyte gaming 5 it works out-of-the-box no problems. zero cold boot issues. stable. yet elmor and others with the SAME flare x kit, processor, and motherboard (crosshair), have no issues. my kit will only function at 2933 100% on the crosshair.

you'll see the same with samsung based trident kits and so on. so be worry with ANY kit. even if its on the QVL. there is NO GUARANTEE it will work FOR you.

Thanks for the advice. I have read all 10,000+ messages on this forum (to this point) and my impression (I don't have an eidetic memory, but I did take notes) was that if I want 32 GB, then 2 x 16 was more likely to work at a given clock rate than 4 x 8. If that is a mistaken impression, then I await the inevitable schooling.

As previously noted, I also need the now-ordered C6H in hand to determine whether I have to use FlairX due to its lower height, or whether one of G.Skill's B die "TridentZ" will do, as I am aware of reported successes with 2 x 16 TridentZ.

And last let me note that I am too old to believe in GUARANTEES.
     
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post #10317 of 17643
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At least for me Vboot does not seem to help when booting completely cold, had it up to 1.45V. But if it fails it is only a little inconvenient to take a quick detour through the BIOS.

Following Rajas advice I did a small memtest session, seems fine:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
53.3 also seems to be the optimum for my 8GB b-die 1DPC config.

I then tried to fine tune SoC voltage a bit and found a rather distinctive instability when it was too low (for me that was at 0.95V for the 3200 memory): no code 8 but just a soft reset like behaviour. Might be useful to determine the cause of an instability.

F4-3200C14D-16GTZ
Samsung B Die
Single sided / 1 dimm per channel
UEFI 0079

With 53.3Ω SOC: 0.962V in UEFI, VBOOT/VDIMM 1.35V

~6.5hrs HCI MEMTest pass ~1000%.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

This CPU UEFI defaults > ProbeIt SOC: ~0.893V, UEFI manually set to 0.875V matches that. SOC: 0.950V has passed lot's of stability testing hours, went to 0.962V to resolve random Q-Code 8 at idle/low loads, improved that issue. I have gone upto SOC: 0.975V and still issues on boots, more from shutdown than restart, passes plenty of hours of other tests.

Tried other ProcODT settings just for booting from shutdown and up and no go to resolve boot issues frown.gif .

Hopefully new improved UEFI solve issue for me.
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YpsiNine: thanks!

Targonis: I went for good RAM, because I did a ton of reading on the memory stuff. I'm at work, so I don't have a pic of the serial number handy, but it's GSkill TridentZ 3600mhz at 15-15-15 (2 x 8GB sticks). I was thinking I probably won't be able to hit 3600 until the BIOS updates a few more times, but if it's CL15 @ 3600, I should hit 3200 CL14 without issue, maybe even CL13 if I'm lucky. smile.gif I'm cool with setting mem timings manually. This thread will be invaluable once I get this rig under water and start delving into the OCing. Lots of new acronyms to learn. smile.gif First thing I'll do is see what BIOS the board came with and go from there. I already have the newest BIOS downloaded (1002), but I'm gonna grab 082 from the post a ways back too. One step at a time. smile.gif Thanks for the info!!
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@elmor and @gupsterg coz i know you love it
This is my last moan.....

This is me just testing boots on stock after a battery reset and reflash
3.58 for the juicy highlight!!!
https://1drv.ms/v/s!Ap54bdL_bUvmg2WopFNt6KaaixrD
post #10320 of 17643
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YpsiNine: thanks!

Targonis: I went for good RAM, because I did a ton of reading on the memory stuff. I'm at work, so I don't have a pic of the serial number handy, but it's GSkill TridentZ 3600mhz at 15-15-15 (2 x 8GB sticks). I was thinking I probably won't be able to hit 3600 until the BIOS updates a few more times, but if it's CL15 @ 3600, I should hit 3200 CL14 without issue, maybe even CL13 if I'm lucky. smile.gif I'm cool with setting mem timings manually. This thread will be invaluable once I get this rig under water and start delving into the OCing. Lots of new acronyms to learn. smile.gif First thing I'll do is see what BIOS the board came with and go from there. I already have the newest BIOS downloaded (1002), but I'm gonna grab 082 from the post a ways back too. One step at a time. smile.gif Thanks for the info!!

Ok, that means you have 1T memory(16 gig sticks of memory are all 2T at this point). So, you can go for 0081, with 1002 being a fallback if you run into trouble. The Crosshair VI Hero will let you update the BIOS via a flash drive(designated USB port for the purpose) even if you have no CPU or RAM, you just need power in a worst case. I went for the "cheap" 2x16 Ripjaws V CL 16 stuff when I pre-ordered, so have been working with the 2T BIOS versions(0902 and 0083).

One thing about the newer BIOS versions is that some have reported needing more voltage to run stable, and I ran into that problem with 0083.

One thing to note, a code 8 on your motherboard(the LED post codes that show on the board) will indicate your CPU has crashed. I ran into that a bit with 0083, but have not had time to tweak with the voltages to get it stable just yet. So, I am running on 0902, just to keep things stable while I upgrade the OS again, and fix the PITA AI Suite 3 install problems I am running into.
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