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post #11621 of 17326
I got my 4.0 + 3300-CL14 power draw down to 50 W during idle. Unfortunately I might have to increase some voltage (SOC or VDDP) again, because I see loss of P-state setting over reboot. Still a nice basis while waiting for future BIOS updates.
post #11622 of 17326
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Originally Posted by Batuhano View Post

I'm not using bios OC with Pstates, tbh I don't have experience to do that. Becouse of this I love zenstates but also I want to do blck OC too and lack of downclocking is a real problem for me frown.gif

Well theres your probelm right there.

ok so what you need to do is go into bios, advanced, AMD CBS, zen common options. changed global c-state control from auto to enabled. But this may not be the end-all solution. Might have to go further but start with that.

You also may or may not still need to be on bios 0079 and beyond to have Pstates function with bclk increase when using Zenstates. 1002 and prior you couldn't use Pstates with increase bclk.

Also, for all this you also need to have your multiplier in extreme tweaker set to auto else Pstates wont activate.



Something along those lines. Cpu voltage also set to auto, manual, or offset mode with offset on auto.
Edited by Reikoji - 4/26/17 at 10:00am
post #11623 of 17326
I changed the Global C-State Control to enabled (all other setting are auto) but still have the same problem, no downclocking. I'm using bios version 081.

You can see the HWinfo, zenstates and powerplan settings below. As I said, no downclocking and Vcore setting 1.45v is not applied, Hwinfo shows still default vcore values)

post #11624 of 17326
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Originally Posted by Batuhano View Post

I changed the Global C-State Control to enabled (all other setting are auto) but still have the same problem, no downclocking. I'm using bios version 081.

You can see the HWinfo, zenstates and powerplan settings below. As I said, no downclocking and Vcore setting 1.45v is not applied, Hwinfo shows still default vcore values)


Perhaps in this case you need to continue further into custom p-states, accept, change p0 from auto to custom, and change the FID to whatever hex code gives you 3050mhz (which is 30.5 multiplier). save and reboot (ignore nothing has been changed error)

But before all that can you post some screens of the top and bottom section of extreme tweaker page in bios?
post #11625 of 17326
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There are two issues here related to liquid cooling. The first is the damage that can occur if it leaks, which depends on the user's case location. This is sufficiently obvious that it need not be addressed in detail.

The second issue is that thermodynamics limits what non-refrigerated coolant can do. In steady state for a given CPU power level, the heat being removed from the CPU is the same with air and with coolant. In order for a liquid-cooled CPU to be slightly cooler, the heat exchanger and fans have to be more efficient transferring heat to air than the air system at the CPU is. To be more efficient requires the liquid-to-air thermal resistance be significantly lower than for the heat pipe vapor to air thermal resistance at the air cooler over the CPU. This generally requires the liquid cooler to have more fin area and more air flow velocity at the heat exchanger; something easier done away from the CPU.

Note that for the CPU to be cooler, the liquid has to be cooler, and the heat transfer to the fins at the heat exchanger will be thereby reduced, everything else being equal. Fortunately for the successful comparison of the liquid system to the air system, the heat pipe schemes in air coolers are less effective at transferring heat to the fins than radiator-style heat exchangers are in liquid-cooled systems. Thermodynamics is thus the reason for the very modest increase in temperatures shown by the large Noctua units in the chart.

Laws of thermodynamics, simplified: You can't win; you can't break even; you can't get out of the game.

This is where mad science comes into play.

Get a mini freezer unit, take it apart to the point where the evaporator is exposed and theres no useless enclosure in the way, extend the liquid lines for to and from the radiator so that it can leave the case and reach the altered freezer unit, do some magic and attach radiator to the outlet side of evaporator. Also can leave the useless enclosure but make the alteration so the radiator can be inserted inside and sufficiently sealed.

WIN! The advanced ice bucket challenge. Now it depends on of the liquid for liquid cooling systems will end up freezing solid smile.gif tho maybe not with a constant supply of heated liquud coming from the cpu/whatever your radiator is attatched to.

Can go even further and custom build an AC/freezer unit specifically to slide radiators into, some capability to supply cooled air for the rest of PC cooling needs biggrin.gif

One would want to include a controller that kept the liquid above the dew point of the room air. For most this would avoid needing to use ethylene glycol for a coolant liquid. If water condenses on the lines over the motherboard, one might expect ill effects on the processing. (I think this is why the LN2 people wax their boards.) With enough condensation, we are back to leak mode with respect to everything below the PC, such as furniture, books, floor, etc.
     
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One would want to include a controller that kept the liquid above the dew point of the room air. For most this would avoid needing to use ethylene glycol for a coolant liquid. If water condenses on the lines over the motherboard, one might expect ill effects on the processing. (I think this is why the LN2 people wax their boards.) With enough condensation, we are back to leak mode with respect to everything below the PC, such as furniture, books, floor, etc.

That is a possibility. I'd just go with using ethylene glycol for the liquid. Could test it out by operating a system thats not attached to a PC and see if the lines build up condensation. It might not be too much different than the ice bucket tho.
Edited by Reikoji - 4/26/17 at 10:21am
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Downclocking for me in the past was also a must, specially when idle... but if I look at the currents at 4ghz (when idle), they are almost if not the same as when the cpu downclocks.
There is really almost no difference, so I have decided to ignore downclocking... what I did do tho is enable the voltage regulation to reduce voltage when idle.
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I have been trying to get to the root problem of the BSOD when resuming / waking from Sleep mode.
I've spent 3-4 hours trying different things, for example running driver verifier and changing drivers all over the place. Nothing makes a difference.

But the problem I have on my computer is that no DMP file is created. When the bluescreen shows up the percentage counter freezes on 0%.
And I have searched everywhere and tried many times but there is simply no such file to be found.

So I was wondering if anyone that experiences the same problem could upload such a DMP file here in order for me to have a look at it?
It may or may not be the same root problem, but at least it should give me something to work on.

Thanks.
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I have been trying to get to the root problem of the BSOD when resuming / waking from Sleep mode.

But the problem I have on my computer is that no DMP file is created. When the bluescreen shows up the percentage counter freezes on 0%.
And I have searched everywhere and tried many times but there is simply no such file to be found.

So I was wondering if anyone that experiences the same problem could upload such a DMP file here in order for me to have a look at it?
It may or may not be the same root problem, but at least it should give me something to work on.

Thanks.

What bios are you running and what are your settings?
post #11630 of 17326
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This is where mad science comes into play.

Get a mini freezer unit, take it apart to the point where the evaporator is exposed and theres no useless enclosure in the way, extend the liquid lines for to and from the radiator so that it can leave the case and reach the altered freezer unit, do some magic and attach radiator to the outlet side of evaporator. Also can leave the useless enclosure but make the alteration so the radiator can be inserted inside and sufficiently sealed.

WIN! The advanced ice bucket challenge. Now it depends on of the liquid for liquid cooling systems will end up freezing solid smile.gif tho maybe not with a constant supply of heated liquud coming from the cpu/whatever your radiator is attatched to.

Can go even further and custom build an AC/freezer unit specifically to slide radiators into, some capability to supply cooled air for the rest of PC cooling needs biggrin.gif

I want to see this pictured wink.gif show us your plans and I might rethink about water cooling wink.gif

So far, the reason why I use the big Noctua D15SE is because it's is BIG.
It looks like a motor bike engine, and that's why I love it smile.gif

I was thinking of the darkrock pro 3 but somehow I like the D15SE, and at least I know it doesn't have memory clearance issue (the darkrock pro 3 seems to be more problematic for this aspect)

So please, show us some pictures smile.gif
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