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1.7 PLL voltage result redface.gif

Well allz i know is, I didn't believe 38c idle + downclock when my water is 21c and my ambient is about the same. So further adjusting the offset changed that for me.
Edited by Reikoji - 4/27/17 at 4:42am
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Hey guys, haven't been able to keep updated with this thread for a few days. Will try to go through it later this week. Ideally you'll report verified issues using the form linked in OP. Anyhow, here's the latest beta BIOS 1106. It's similar to 0081 (AGESA 1004a) but adds a couple of bug fixes like CHAFan 3 not being adjustable.

Is 1106 a 1T or 2T BIOS?
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I have not changed my pll and don't see a need to either. I think it shows up in the bios as 1.792 or something like that. If it affects temp readings im not changing it, its on auto as well thats the reading i got.
It seems like its down to the individual cpu/bios more then anything. Some people raiding ram boot voltage helps, for others it makes zero difference (i can boot at 3200mhz regardless of boot voltage, soc made all the difference)

I should have added more detail; this was in regard to SenseMi Skew "auto" or "disabled" being set.
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1.7 PLL voltage result redface.gif

Well allz i know is, I didn't believe 38c idle + downclock when my water is 21c and my ambient is about the same. So further adjusting the offset changed that for me.

Yea seems like PLL should just be left at 1.8 either on auto or manually. Thats where mine is and idles temps are the same as my gpu and same as my 4690k on the same loop. I'm gonna go by that as my benchmark lol. Ive heard that even changing PLL above 1.8 reduces temps as well but who really knows anymore.
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I should have added more detail; this was in regard to SenseMi Skew "auto" or "disabled" being set.

So PLL in conjunction with disabling miskew or changing the offset changes temps? If so that's just idiotic haha.
    
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Yea seems like PLL should just be left at 1.8 either on auto or manually. Thats where mine is and idles temps are the same as my gpu and same as my 4690k on the same loop. I'm gonna go by that as my benchmark lol. Ive heard that even changing PLL above 1.8 reduces temps as well but who really knows anymore.
So PLL in conjunction with disabling miskew or changing the offset changes temps? If so that's just idiotic haha.

icreasing the pll voltage increases the temp reading (not actual). I only found this out because back when i was doing standard OC, leaving 1.8 PLL voltage on auto resulted in 2v, and that brought me up to 43c idle.
Edited by Reikoji - 4/27/17 at 4:52am
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Yea seems like PLL should just be left at 1.8 either on auto or manually. Thats where mine is and idles temps are the same as my gpu and same as my 4690k on the same loop. I'm gonna go by that as my benchmark lol. Ive heard that even changing PLL above 1.8 reduces temps as well but who really knows anymore.
So PLL in conjunction with disabling miskew or changing the offset changes temps? If so that's just idiotic haha.

How did this happen LOL? Auto for X CPUs and Disabled for the 1700 should be the correct settings for everyone, I've seen nothing to suggest this isn't how you want that set in BIOS. As for PLL, while it may affect idle (I didn't pay any attention to idle temps while testing yesterday), max temps look to be correct or within a very small margin of error with a positive offset (e.g. above 1.8 all the way up to 1.92 where I left off in testing). These two comments weren't intended to be linked in any manner, my bad on that LOL.
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icreasing the pll voltage increases the temp reading (not actual). I only found this out because back when i was doing standard OC, leaving 1.8 PLL voltage on auto resulted in 2v, and that brought me up to 43c idle.

All over the place, i read someone that changed PLL above 1.8 and had lower temps haha. I'm guessing changing PLL and not changing miskew offset will mess with temps even further, its insane. I think we need a chart for the offset for those changing PLL so they can't have reliable temps, unless changing PLL actually raises core temps.
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How did this happen LOL? Auto for X CPUs and Disabled for the 1700 should be the correct settings for everyone, I've seen nothing to suggest this isn't how you want that set in BIOS. As for PLL, while it may affect idle (I didn't pay any attention to idle temps while testing yesterday), max temps look to be correct or within a very small margin of error with a positive offset (e.g. above 1.8 all the way up to 1.92 where I left off in testing). These two comments weren't intended to be linked in any manner, my bad on that LOL.

I may have read that wrong. If under load PLL makes no difference then i really wouldn't worry about it, youll just have really off idle temps.

I have my 1700X set to auto on both 902/1002 and my Aorus 5 after a BIOS update showed the correct temps (as far as i know you can't adjust anything remotely close in their as you can the ch6).
    
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All over the place, i read someone that changed PLL above 1.8 and had lower temps haha. I'm guessing changing PLL and not changing miskew offset will mess with temps even further, its insane. I think we need a chart for the offset for those changing PLL so they can't have reliable temps, unless changing PLL actually raises core temps.
I may have read that wrong. If under load PLL makes no difference then i really wouldn't worry about it, youll just have really off idle temps.

I have my 1700X set to auto on both 902/1002 and my Aorus 5 after a BIOS update showed the correct temps (as far as i know you can't adjust anything remotely close in their as you can the ch6).

im about to check that right now.

hah... any increase in PLL for me destroys my sensemi skew aparently. just put it at 1.9 and idle shot up to 41c, from 27c.

using CPU-Z Stress CPU, load temp went from 51c to 68c

1.95 PLL = 43c idle, 70c load.

1.75 PLL = 7c idle, 28c load.

Well it doesnt exactly destroy sensemi skew/offset, but have to further increase offset if pll voltage increases, and possible vice versa for pll voltage decreases.
Edited by Reikoji - 4/27/17 at 5:05am
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All over the place, i read someone that changed PLL above 1.8 and had lower temps haha. I'm guessing changing PLL and not changing miskew offset will mess with temps even further, its insane. I think we need a chart for the offset for those changing PLL so they can't have reliable temps, unless changing PLL actually raises core temps.
I may have read that wrong. If under load PLL makes no difference then i really wouldn't worry about it, youll just have really off idle temps.

I have my 1700X set to auto on both 902/1002 and my Aorus 5 after a BIOS update showed the correct temps (as far as i know you can't adjust anything remotely close in their as you can the ch6).

If they were way off, I would have noticed that but they were fairly typical. As to your comment about not seeing a reason to adjust PLL; it does indeed make a difference. I started messing with it over the past week and it does indeed help with stability when using a BCLK. I wasnt able to get my memory overclock of 3500 and CPU overclocks (just under 3.9) stable until I brought it up to 1.92. My point being, there does appear to be a need, you just may not require it for your current settings.

While I havent tried a negative offset like Reikoji for PLL, my results do not have the large delta shown in his image (a couple degrees at best in my case). It is possible there is something happening with SenseMi Skew "auto" and PLL offsets since I'm on "disabled" and dont have a significant (or any) delta with regard to temps.
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im about to check that right now.

hah... any increase in PLL for me destroys my sensemi skew aparently. just put it at 1.9 and idle shot up to 41c, from 27c.

using CPU-Z Stress CPU, load temp went from 51c to 68c

1.95 PLL = 43c idle, 70c load.

1.75 PLL = 7c idle, 28c load.

Well it doesnt exactly destroy sensemi skew/offset, but have to further increase offset if pll voltage increases, and possible vice versa for pll voltage decreases.

Can you try with SenseMi disabled? I'm not home so I cant test it out.
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