Damn, some bios settings should not be there or be explained and NOT change critical readouts. I couldn't believe that my 1800X would thermal shut off at 4ghz and be 73/93C depending on what you belive Well I figured I spent $200 on a Corsair H100i and Noctua fans, so might as well spend another $12 on 2 applications of Grizzly Kryonaut (coming this weekend to replace my 5 year old Arctic 5 I used). Then all of a sudden I decided to just put PLL back to 1.8v default since mine was at 1.9v from some suggestion ages ago. Well guess what, BAM! my temps were instantly 10C less, to 63/83C on full IBT test. So moral of the story, don't F@CK with PLL. All that said, my 1800X still won't do IBT without shutdown at 4.0ghz, no matter how high I go with volts (went to 1.45 LLC 3), but it happily does 3.975mhz at 1.40 v LLC 3. Kind of ridiculous that you cant get 25 more mhz going from 1.40 to 1.45v, but I guess that is part of the insanity of this system. And I agree with all the frustrated guys, this was released 3 months to early and even 20 year overclockers like myself are getting pissed off because you change one inocuous setting and it messes everything else up. Don't even get me started with why the F@CK we need two fake temperatures instead of one real one, or why setting BCLK at 100 fluctuates between 99 and 101, it is just ridiculous. If I didn't enjoy building and debugging rigs, if I was a normal consumer, I would be furious. I mean I even had an 1800X that would just turn off in IBT STOCK, STOCK 1002 bios and STOCK Settings. That is just unacceptable. Now I have things dialed in pretty good, but I still get random pauses for seconds (and yes I increased NVME sleep time, which you shouldn't have to do) and I also get one or two threads running at 87-100% for no reason at all, like I am idling and in task manager no process is over 6% cpu, yet I have a thread or two maxed out? There are serious issues and anyone who asks me for a recomendation on a new build, I would tell them just get an Intel 6 core. My build is NOT really any cheaper, by the time I spent $300 on this mobo, $200 on 16gb of decent ram, ect. Yeah, big deal if the 1800X is $100 cheaper than an Intel 6 core at this point, it is not worth the headaches. Now I can see an argument for the cheap 6 core Ryzens with a cheap mobo and cheap ram for Joe Sixpack, but that is not how I build a computer. I build the best every time there is a significant leap. I thought an 1800X at 3.9-4ghz would be a significant leap over my 4.7ghz 2500k with 2133 cas 9 ram, but guess what, in everyday stuff like browsing, video, and games, it is no different with my 1080 then the Ryzen. Sure when games start using 8 cores/16 threads the Ryzen will start winning, but right now the clockspeed is to slow, I get the exact same single core Cinebench score of 162 on both systems. And I don't encode, twitch stream or any of that **** except on a rare occassion. So basically I sidegraded. I was really hoping Ryzen would be faster in games because I have so much crap in the background like browsers, chat programs, monitoring apps, ect. But I really haven't seen any speed improvements at all except when I do silly things like run 4 different virus scans at the same time while Acronis backing up my drive. Then Ryzen is great, when you are trying to use it as two seperate computers, but if you use your computer as one computer in a normal to power user fashion, Ryzens slow clock speeds just won't make your system faster because it has more cores. Hoping Ryzen 2 can get to 5ghz or it is just going to remain in Intels shadow. Intel is pushing up their release to Summer and I bet they will have cheaper 6 and 8 cores then, so Ryzen has a 2-3 month window to get its **** together or be back as the slow underdog again, and they aren't winning over any enthusiasts with this mess of a launch. I have a ****load of overclocking knowledge and experience, but I don't think you should need Chew level experience to get a consumer product to just work within an hour. It took me a month to get happy with my rig, but I still really am not due to the pauses and random full cpu thread use that is not really happening.