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Alright guys, I am really starting to get frustrated, can't get my ram to 3200 and have tried the last bios posted by Elmor and a few different versions.

RAM: VENGEANCE® LED 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 LED (CMU32GX4M2C3200C16)

I have tried all the profiles, manually putting in timings, voltages, etc and nothing seems to stick. I restart from BIOS and the ram is back down to the factory 1333 or so. I did manage to get it to 2666 or something close once but on restart it didn't stick. I know some of you guys are guru's and I am willing to gift a steam game or paypal if someone can just help me hit the speed on this RAM. I am no expert by any means.

Thanks.

Youll have a VERY hard time reaching 3200mhz with 2x16. Pretty sure those are double sided ram sticks and those don't tend to work very well on Ryzen so far.
    
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Youll have a VERY hard time reaching 3200mhz with 2x16. Pretty sure those are double sided ram sticks and those don't tend to work very well on Ryzen so far.

Thanks for the reply, should I just wait it out then? is their anything you recommend besides just shipping these back? (Not sure if I can by now)

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/vengeance-led-32gb-2-x-16gb-ddr4-dram-3200mhz-c16-memory-kit-white-led-cmu32gx4m2c3200c16
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Use flashback, easy to do and works no matter what.

Even that is not working .

Edit: Fixed the issue.
Edited by residentour - 4/29/17 at 3:55pm
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Even that is not working .

Are you sure you used the right one? There is a difference between flashback and EZ Flash.
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Welp for now I guess I'm sticking with 2666, hopefully a future BIOS will help me kick this up to 3200.

I have the same kit as you and haven't been able to use the 2933/3200 ratios either. You can get a little more out of the RAM if you play with BCLK but I never got the higher settings to work.
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hello everyone

tried BIOS 1107 today and it's working fine.
But one thing seems not to be working any more.
When i try to change clock speed of p2 state to a lower value, the System doesnt boot. Qcode is OC or 0C.
p0 and p1 can be adjusted as with BIOS 1002.

Any ideas?

thanks in advance

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Are you sure you used the right one? There is a difference between flashback and EZ Flash.

Renamed previous bios to C6H.CAP , put to the usb (fat 32) root. Inserted to the usb flashback port.
Pressed the flashback button for 3 secs . It started blinking then stopped 1 second later. Refuses to flash.

Also Windows ezflash utility refuses to flash.

I think This bios replaces boards model code. Just the 1017 bios is recognized.




Edit: Biosflashback is the only way to update to another bios for 1107. Pulled all the other USB cables /devices then Bios Flashback suddenly worked! biggrin.gif . I have successfully reverted to 0083.
Edited by residentour - 4/29/17 at 3:54pm
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Renamed previous bios to C6H.CAP , put to the usb (fat 32) root. Inserted to the usb flashback port.
Pressed the flashback button for 3 secs . It started blinking then stopped 1 second later. Refuses to flash.

Also Windows ezflash utility refuses to flash.

I think This bios replaces boards model code. Just the 1017 bios is recognized.

Try formatting the usb again, some people had issues with flashback and re-formatting helped. For me i tried it once and it didnt work so who knows.
    
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Renamed previous bios to C6H.CAP , put to the usb (fat 32) root. Inserted to the usb flashback port.
Pressed the flashback button for 3 secs . It started blinking then stopped 1 second later. Refuses to flash.

Also Windows ezflash utility refuses to flash.

I think This bios replaces boards model code. Just the 1017 bios is recognized.

Was the bios LED still on? If it blinks 3-4 times and stops there is something wrong with the file. Happened to me when I went from 902 to 1002.
I reformatted my USB to FAT32 used the BRenamerl tool found on the support page under Bios utilities, moved it to the USB, downloaded 1107 on to USB
Ran BRenamerl and it renamed the file to CH6.CAP, Cleared CMOS before flashing, hit the button and it worked with no issues.

Be sure that there is nothing else on the usb drive or remove an encryption on it.

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Yup, just tried. Also no effect.
Funny thing is. I also have another GSKILL non RGB Samsung B-Die Kit at hand and a 1700X.

So i will now bring up a new theory:

3200 strap is dependant on luck of the draw when buying a C6H Motherboard. Some C6H may make it, others don't. (Not CPU dependant)

What do you think about this? Anyone with two C6H who can confirm or deny this?
i've tested one 1700x, three 1800x's, two corsair hynix kits, three gskill samsung kits, two asus crosshairs and two gigabyte gaming 5's. i can confirm swapping to a different crosshair board did nothing. but swapping to a different manufacturer board, with the gigabyte gaming 5, BIG changes did happen.

i'll quote something i posted eariler.
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so on the advice i gave my buddy, he picked up the gigabyte gaming 5 over the crosshair and i do truly believe a lot of issues plaguing ryzen is stemming from the use of the crosshair in regards to high temperatures, ram compatibility, and voltages. i helped him set everything up and before we built his computer together he let me use his gaming 5 for a shortwhile to further test somethings out. honestly, i just wanted to see if my 1800x and gskill 16gb flare x kit played well again like it did prior when i had the gaming 5... and lo and behold, they worked great at 3200 like before. no cold boot issues. unlike with my crosshair.

but i did some more testing regarding the complaints i made eailer about my 1800x running hotter and at higher voltage at stock settings with xfr enabled on the crosshair compared to my previous gaming 5. from digging into it i noticed the difference. the gaming 5 is simply not as aggressive as the crosshair in regards to xfr boosting. i noticed on the gaming 5 my 1800x RARELY boosted to 4.1ghz during an xfr boost. it only boosted to 4ghz the MAJORITY of the time when it boosted high with xfr. that little difference makes a WHOLE A LOT of a difference. with the gaming 5 only pegging 4ghz most of the time for the top end, the volts stayed below 1.4 volts range with an average of 1.34v's after monitoring for 40 minutes. this also caused the fans not to ramp up and down like crazy since any load, even the slightest didn't cause xfr to jump straight to 4.1ghz and 1.5v's like the crosshair does. i also noticed how my 1800x on the gaming 5 didn't stay at 4ghz for long and it didn't jump up to 4ghz frequently. it would mostly boost up to around 3.8 - 3.9ghz. only a few times would it boost to 4ghz, let alone 4.1. unlike the crosshair where its always pegging 4.1ghz anytime anything touches a core, regardless how heavy it is. idle, then open firefox? boom 4.1. load foobar? boom 4.1 with 1.5v's. alt tab to swtich a lot, boom 4.1 with 1.5v's. why i noticed a high 1.4v average with the crosshair with leaving hwinfo monitoring in the background for nearly an hour. that's right, average, not maximum.

i also noticed another odd ball. the gaming 5 when under abusive load, like intel burn test, both regular and avx, along with prime, my 1800x would operate at 3.5ghz rather than 3.7ghz it does on the crosshair. so this caused my 1800x to run cooler since it used far less volts at 3.5ghz.

after doing the testing and putting my buddies computer together i ran the same tests on his 1800x. what i observed with mine i observed with his. what i find odd the most was the heavy load when all 16 threads are used at 100% with how it runs at 3.5ghz instead of the stock 3.6ghz. let alone 3.7ghz because iirc, with xfr enabled, all cores operate at 3.7ghz instead of 3.6ghz stock. so i don't know why its dropping to 3.5ghz on the gaming 5. the cooler used for mine was a nh-d15s while my buddy is using a corsair h110i. so cooling shouldn't be an issue.

for those having ram issues, temps, and voltage it could just be the motherboard. even regarding overal ram stabilitly for the perfect case scenerio, samsung single rank 16gb kits. that's what puzzles me the absolute most is how i have cold boot issues with the SAME flare x kit on my crosshair but NOT on the gaming 5. for xfr with voltages and temperatures, for whatever reason i don't know. could be asus themselves tweaking bios settings to make xfr more aggressive since they figure those wanting the crosshair to run at stock settings can get the most out of it, or maybe since the crosshair has a better power delivery system it allows ryzen to boost to those high frequencies, and voltages at stock. i'm sorta leaning towards both with how the gaming 5 drops to 3.5ghz at full, 16 thread load since it does have a weaker vrm setup compared to the crosshair.

either way i would rather have my 1800x boosting to 3.8 - 3.9ghz frequently, with an occasion 4ghz, and rare 4.1ghz if it meant it kept voltages down allowing for lower temps and fan speeds.... but i also like the crosshair overall features wise. i just reconmended the gaming 5 to my friend because its an easier set it and forget it experience.

a simple processor change could easily fix it but i wouldn't rule out the motherboard either. not just replacing the motherboard with the same, but trying a completely different manufacturer board before trying to swap the processor. not all IMC are created equally, and the tweaks manufacturers could be making could not play nice with your ryzen memory controllers. right now i feel like we are trying to find a ryzen that has a IMC that plays nice with the manufacturer boards of OUR choosing.
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