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post #12881 of 17365
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Originally Posted by bluej511 View Post

Dont feed the troll. If i took his advice my pc wouldn't boot. 1.2v soc has negative effects on my rig f9 error. Every chip is different and soc affects each chip differently.

Cant tune an f1 ecu and expect it to work on another f1 car. Its all cpu specific.


If telling someone to change SOC voltage based on AIDA benchmarks, you're leading them up the garden path. Like you suggest, one should adjust this value to obtain stability at the OS and POST level
post #12882 of 17365
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Originally Posted by bluej511 View Post

Yea i really wish my 3200mhz setting would stick but alas it isn't so. Soc made no difference up to 1.15 so ill leave it at 1v and keep it at 2933 for now. When i feel like playing again i will tinker with prodct, unfortunately its not repeatable every shutdown which is a PITA.

What is your ambient temperature when it fails the 3200 strap? Before bios 1107 if my ambient temperature was below 21C I would always have to reset my strap. This was a repeatable trend for me. I've only had one morning where my home was below 21C since the 1107 update, so I don't have total confidence yet, but am optimistic so far.
post #12883 of 17365
@Heimdallr

So, if it is dual channel, then I guess there is not more bandwidth. I guess that is why four sticks of ram is said to be more stressful for the cpu.
post #12884 of 17365
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Originally Posted by red-ray View Post


ASUS failing to use the locks in their software had been an issue for many years and I feel the odd few posts about this in a thread with over 1200 posts is all to easy for ASUS to ignore.

I feel there need to be a new thread just to address ASUS failing to use the locks as this is an issue for all ASUS motherboards not just the CH6. In which section should such a thread be created?

I posted http://www.overclock.net/t/1510001/asus-rampage-v-extreme-owners-thread/9320#post_25193905 about locking some time ago as the RVE has all the same issues.

I gather the ASUS view is that there is no issue when using the ASUS software and that all issues are caused by third parties which is rather alarming mad.gif.

ASUS need to explain why AIDA64 + CPUZ + HWiNFO + SIV can all happily be used at the same time, but as soon as ASUS software is also used there are issues and why the issue with other than the ASUS software wink.gif.

The latest SIV V5.19 is rather better at reporting which programs are using the locks.


Does the GSkill software behave badly too? Or is it just AURA? Reason I ask is because the GSkill software looks almost identical. looks like it has been licenced from ASUS which is unfortunate if Aura is the root of all SMBus evil.......... 

post #12885 of 17365
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Originally Posted by kaseki View Post


If you do start such a thread, please include in it the link that appeared somewhere in this morass of 12k+ posts to a group writing Linux and Windows code to provide RGB control without depending on the mutex-free G.Skill and Asus software. Some of us may eventually need want it.


You mean this..?

http://github.com/CalcProgrammer1/KeyboardVisualizer/issues/85

 

Seems not to have been updated in a while. :thumbsdow 

post #12886 of 17365
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Originally Posted by Decoman View Post

Do Ryzen motherboard have 2x 'dual channel', or 'quad channel' memory with four slots for the memory sticks? And is there an increased bandwidth with four sticks over two?

The memory controller is on the CPU itself, and has very little to do with the motherboard, other than providing the physical connections(with the required BIOS controls). So, dual-channel. No advantage to having four sticks of RAM, except that you can find 1T memory and still get to 32GB of RAM(16GB per stick is limited to 2T for the moment).
post #12887 of 17365
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Originally Posted by dorbot View Post


You mean this..?
http://github.com/CalcProgrammer1/KeyboardVisualizer/issues/85

Seems not to have been updated in a while. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif  

Eh?

It was updated only 8 hours ago.

EDIT: Oh you mean the ASUS Aura issue?
post #12888 of 17365
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Originally Posted by Targonis View Post

The memory controller is on the CPU itself, and has very little to do with the motherboard, other than providing the physical connections(with the required BIOS controls). So, dual-channel. No advantage to having four sticks of RAM, except that you can find 1T memory and still get to 32GB of RAM(16GB per stick is limited to 2T for the moment).

Hello

16GB density modules are 1T capable as well.
post #12889 of 17365
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Originally Posted by bluej511 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Clukos View Post

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Read what I've posted in the previous page.

Yes i saw, memory speeds matter more. We knew this from the get go, i even have GAMING benchmarks from a month ago proving so. I even tested rise of the tomb raider which went DOWN in performance the higher the ram speed (which gives any benchmark and anyone who uses it as a benchmark null and void). Its a very VERY spotty benchmark and not even remotely accurate in terms of repetition.

Here you go.

i5 4690k/r7 1700x/r7 1700x 3.8ghz, 2933mhz(hp)/balanced / 3200 hp

Rise of the Tomb Raider (DX12)

Mountain Peak
Min 47.58 / 45.76 / 48.81 / 46.20 / 49.28
Avg 84.44 / 68.61 / 84.60 / 82.99 / 83.64
Max 126.17 / 119.18 / 138.08 / 145.87 / 141.07

Syria
Min 18.75 / 37.06 / 35.25 / 32.07 / 30.46
Avg 64.71 / 71.00 / 64.55 / 64.98 / 64.00
Max 77.93 / 97.79 / 82.97 / 91.23 / 85.19

Geothermal Valley
Min 34.96 / 30.33 / 41.99 / 42.41 / 41.68
Avg 58.27 / 63.29 / 58.64 / 58.79 / 58.03
Max 79.48 / 79.69 / 73.78 / 74.90 / 73.29

Overall 69.38 / 67.43 / 69.54 / 69.14 / 68.81


Grid Autosport
Min 86.98 / 69.90 / 82.35 / 82.733 / 87.43
Avg 111.84 / 95.30 / 107.15 / 107.68 / 111.19
Max 156.24 / 132.85 / 139.34 / 142.75 / 144.63

So yea i do know what I'm saying I was one of the first to post benchmarks for ryzen and gaming compared to devils canyon. Far Cry Primal saw like no improvement except in min rate (important so its a good improvement). Grid Autosport (old game probably only uses a couple cores) saw a HUGE improvement with an OC and memory at 2933, more of a boost then it saw going from 2933 to 3200.

You STILL need a good high speed IPC for gaming, this is why the 7700k destroys the r7 ryzen in gaming even with the same memory speeds. Ryzen is getting better in that regard but you still need an OC for it to work even better, same way you do with the i5s. Saying memory matters more isn't entirely true. You really do need both.

You should really be looking at tuning for the best latency and not worry so much about frequency once you get the memory above about 2666 as the bandwidth should be more than suffoicient. Obviously faster frequencies will help as long as you use the tightest timings to go with it. You may find that a 3600mhz c16 kit running at 3200c14-13-13-34 gives you the best compromise of frequency and timings to get the lowest latencies and best gaming performance

 

Doing that will get gaming performance closer to the realm of 6900K. Ryzen at 62ns, it is almost there if you look at Timespy CPU results. Latencies have improved from 100ns at launch down to about 62ns so far with the commensurate improvement in gaming performance but Ryzen will never match a 5Ghz 7700K in a pure IPC combined with frequency battle especially in light of how well tuned the intel memory subsystem is these days..

post #12890 of 17365
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Originally Posted by gtbtk View Post

You should really be looking at tuning for the best latency and not worry so much about frequency once you get the memory above about 2666 as the bandwidth should be more than suffoicient. Obviously faster frequencies will help as long as you use the tightest timings to go with it. You may find that a 3600mhz c16 kit running at 3200c14-13-13-34 gives you the best compromise of frequency and timings to get the lowest latencies and best gaming performance

Doing that will get gaming performance closer to the realm of 6900K. Ryzen at 62ns, it is almost there if you look at Timespy CPU results. Latencies have improved from 100ns at launch down to about 62ns so far with the commensurate improvement in gaming performance but Ryzen will never match a 5Ghz 7700K in a pure IPC combined with frequency battle especially in light of how well tuned the intel memory subsystem is these days..

You're missing the most important point!

Can a 6900K do 3.8Ghz at 1.199v under load?
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