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I'd be interested in whether someone who had installed 0003 and then 1107, and who is running a 3200 MHz RAM, reports this 20C problem or the negative -- that booting at lower than 20C is not an issue.

You're talking about me. My computer cold boots fine.
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The very southwestern tip of Virginia. The beginning of last week was in the 10C range in the mornings when I get up.

If the cold boot issues are related to CPU temperatures of 20C and I'm starting the PC in the morning at a temperature of 15C that has sat turned off all night would that not make the CPU temperature below 20C on first boot causing the cold boot issue?

Not by the time memory training is starting to take place (around Qcode 36). Wish my setup had been in a state were I would have tested for cold boot issues back when it was cooler; I could have compared it with the logs from my aquarium controller (monitors temps 24/7).
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Considering all and i mean all we're changing is RAM strap what else could it be? Id love to have some enlighten me. Happens with case temps under 20°C but all day long when its above 20°C its fine. So its either temperature or time. You guys really think its losing its ram training over time? Come on now haha.

If there was no cold boot issues AT ALL there would be no LN2 jumper. Think about it.

This is the biggest contributor in my belief that you dont have an ambient temperature related issue. If you look at the information in regard to the CPUs (the IMC is on die) cold bug , 2933 doesn't work either. The results you're experiencing are consistent with numerous reports of cold boots/starts rather than cold bugs (20° CPU temps).
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Looking through the forums about the SPD issue and now its got me double thinking my ram. It is normal not to see the Serial Numbers on CPU-Z right?
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LN2 is outside the realm of this discussion. That's a temperature EXTREME. 19 degree = no boot / 20 degree = boot is nowhere near extreme.

And it's my understanding that AMD's initialization is to blame. It's due to a temporary low SOC voltage that can't be compensated by Asus. I'd imagine time is certainly a factor, and probably more so than temperature.

I have 3 ch6 systems and pretty much all 3 have the issue if all left to sit (2 of em are running 24hrs folding for stability testing) and my personal one gets shut down every night. Still an issue, and again its not 19 it doesnt and 20 it does, its ANYTHING below 20°C.

And the reason LN2 isn't outside the realm is because even though it ONLY cools the cpu (if you see how its used pretty much everything else around the cpu gets insulated somewhat) but the escaping vapors (which are still frigid) can cause either the IMC or EC to be relatively cold.

I don't understand why you're arguing with people who have the issue and it's been proven to be a temperature issue since the beginning of this thread. Elmor and Raja both acknowledged as well, guess you know more so then they do.

P.S. If it wasn't a problem there would be ZERO and i mean ZERO need for BIOS 0003.
    
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Not by the time memory training is starting to take place (around Qcode 36). Wish my setup had been in a state were I would have tested for cold boot issues back when it was cooler; I could have compared it with the logs from my aquarium controller (monitors temps 24/7).
This is the biggest contributor in my belief that you dont have an ambient temperature related issue. If you look at the information in regard to the CPUs (the IMC is on die) cold bug , 2933 doesn't work either. The results you're experiencing are consistent with numerous reports of cold boots/starts rather than cold bugs (20° CPU temps).

You really think it doesnt stay cold? My cpu temps are 19°C by the time im in windows and have hwinfo64 open lol, even stays there for a couple mins.

And 2933 works FINE under cold temps, have run it for the past month at 2933 and its fine down to 16°C, changing soc/dram/dram boot all the way to 1.5 made ZERO difference still doesnt boot when its below 20°C at 3200mhz.

I can shut it off 20x in a day once its warmed up in the room and it will boot every single time at 3200mhz without a single f9 error.
    
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Did you flash the 0003 EC update? If not, quit running around in circles and complaining. I've not had a cold boot loop since the update. It's not 100% problem free, but it has ALWAYS cold booted properly.

Haha. Hugh you know its not a cold boot problem but an actual TEMPERATURE problem, ie if its colder then 20°C in the case it will throw an f9 then boot loop, @RaptormanUSMC has the same exact issue.

I honestly doubt that reflashing the ec would fix that, i think that's more a flash for people who can't hit 3200. Ive cold booted 3x today with temps at 20°C and its been fine (and that was with the system off for a couple hours), this morning with a case temp of 18°C, instant f9 and boot loop.

OK just to try and put this to rest. I went in and started my cold loop (approx -20°c) then started my PC and booted right up to this. Check the temps.



It's possible that the 2° makes a difference but I find it unlikely. I deal with LN2 often and I KNOW what a cold bug is. When I ran the 1700x under LN2 there was no way I could run my mem faster than 2933. It just would not boot, not at all. That's a CBB. I think what you're suffering is the boot issue that many others were it's just not consistent.
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You really think it doesnt stay cold? My cpu temps are 19°C by the time im in windows and have hwinfo64 open lol, even stays there for a couple mins.

And 2933 works FINE under cold temps, have run it for the past month at 2933 and its fine down to 16°C, changing soc/dram/dram boot all the way to 1.5 made ZERO difference still doesnt boot when its below 20°C at 3200mhz.

I can shut it off 20x in a day once its warmed up in the room and it will boot every single time at 3200mhz without a single f9 error.

Another indicator that what you're experiencing is not related to the cold bug.
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OK just to try and put this to rest. I went in and started my cold loop (approx -20°c) then started my PC and booted right up to this. Check the temps.



It's possible that the 2° makes a difference but I find it unlikely. I deal with LN2 often and I KNOW what a cold bug is. When I ran the 1700x under LN2 there was no way I could run my mem faster than 2933. It just would not boot, not at all. That's a CBB. I think what you're suffering is the boot issue that many others were it's just not consistent.

Your PC idles at 4°C or thats just an error? Because for me even my HDD/SSD are below 20°C at first cold boot on a cold morning.

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Another indicator that what you're experiencing is not related to the cold bug.

So the only variable is the temp and the strap but you think its the strap? Even though all day long cold boots work just fine at 3200mhz but mornings is instant f9?
    
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Your PC idles at 4°C or thats just an error? Because for me even my HDD/SSD are below 20°C at first cold boot on a cold morning.
So the only variable is the temp and the strap but you think its the strap? Even though all day long cold boots work just fine at 3200mhz but mornings is instant f9?

No, I dont believe it is the strap either. IT IS A COLD BOOT RELATED PROBLEM. This is what has been acknowledged by the masses, not the cold bug that you believe it to be. Cold boot issues do not imply cold temperatures.
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I'd be interested in whether someone who had installed 0003 and then 1107, and who is running a 3200 MHz RAM, reports this 20C problem or the negative -- that booting at lower than 20C is not an issue.

You're talking about me. My computer cold boots fine.

Thanks! I'll keep that in mind if I have a problem. (Asus 1080ti just came into stock at Newegg, so I should be able to get the rig fully assembled (if not finished) soon after it arrives.)
     
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