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Originally Posted by gupsterg View Post


Not valid for 1DPC SR. Which is what Timur Born has and started this discussion.
1. is valid for 1 DPC SR.
2. is default config, not valid for 1 DPC SR.
3. is valid for 1 DPC SR, but RAM bench will be affected and not real world performance.
I have edited your quote only to add numbers and answered as the discussion was in the context of Timur Born's RAM kit used. Best setup for his RAM kit is none of the setups in your post for all purposes. Best setup is either:-

i) BGS: [Auto] BGSA: [Enabled]
ii) BGS: [Disabled] BGSA: [Enabled]

So you think that when a setting is left at AUTO, the motherboard will pick a random setting?

i) Quote: "BGS: [Auto] BGSA: [Enabled]"

This is BGS set to enabled and BGSA is set to enabled.

You leave the settings at AUTO, the motherboard will use the values programmed in the BIOS.

If you set: BGS: [Auto] BGSA: [Auto], that is BGS set to enabled and BGSA is set to disabled, and when BGS having the upper hand it does not matter if you set BGSA to enabled or disabled.

I think you need to make some testings to find out, I have done mine, and know the memory is only effected if when both settings are set to disabled. If the software shows that your memory is effected then it's effected, but there is software that does it's job as it should and a software that does not. Off course you can enable both by changing from AUTO to Enabled, and your PC will run just as good, this is what your posted setting confirms, I mean your setting at (i).
Edited by Ramad - 7/29/17 at 7:58am
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I decided to try dimm slots A1/B1 last night and for some reason my reported tCTL is 7C lower when stress testing the RAM. Is this a thing??

I haven't noticed any real difference in stability but my USB stuttering doesn't appear to be happening on A1/B1, oddly. Could just be a coincidence.
Edited by roybotnik - 7/29/17 at 8:10am
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I decided to try dimm slots A1/A2 last night and for some reason my reported tCTL is 7C lower when stress testing the RAM. Is this a thing??

Yes, you are running on a single channel now. Not good. smile.gif
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Yes, you are running on a single channel now. Not good. smile.gif

I meant A1/B1
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So you think that when a setting is left at AUTO, the motherboard will pick a random setting?

Nope.
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i) Quote: "BGS: [Auto] BGSA: [Enabled]"

This is BGS set to enabled and BGSA is set to enabled.

Nope.

Look at post 24785, where bold text is BGS: Auto BGSA: Enabled, now view the screenshot there. RTC shows BGS Disabled.
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You leave the settings at AUTO, the motherboard will use the values programmed in the BIOS.

Yes, but BGS: [Auto] and BGSA: [Auto] is not right for 1DPC SR.

When you set BGSA as Enabled then BGS: [Auto] default becomes [Disabled], an "Auto rule" of UEFI, as The Stilts said "Mutually exclusive". Then is right for 1DPC SR for all purposes.
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I think you need to make some testings to find out, I have done mine, and know the memory is only effected if when both settings are set to disabled. If the software shows that your memory is effected then it's effected, but there is software that does it's job as it should and a software that does not. Off course you can enable both by changing from AUTO to Enabled, and your PC will run just as good, this is what your posted setting confirms, I mean your setting at (i).

I have done my testing twice.

Now and in the past.

I have used AIDA64 now and in the past also done Cinebench 15, 3DM FS, 3DM SD and Intel Memory Latency Checker.

It is how The Stilt states. I use the optimal setup and advise as. What you do or advise I am not concerned by and nor am going to keep repeating the same thing over and over again. I have better things to do, so accept my apologies if I do not entertain you or follow your setup, etc, etc.
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Nope.
Nope.

Look at post 24785, where bold text is BGS: Auto BGSA: Enabled, now view the screenshot there. RTC shows BGS Disabled.
Yes, but BGS: [Auto] and BGSA: [Auto] is not right for 1DPC SR.

When you set BGSA as Enabled then BGS: [Auto] default becomes [Disabled], an "Auto rule" of UEFI, as The Stilts said "Mutually exclusive". Then is right for 1DPC SR for all purposes.
I have done my testing twice.

Now and in the past.

I have used AIDA64 now and in the past also done Cinebench 15, 3DM FS, 3DM SD and Intel Memory Latency Checker.

It is how The Stilt states. I use the optimal setup and advise as. What you do or advise I am not concerned by and nor am going to keep repeating the same thing over and over again. I have better things to do, so accept my apologies if I do not entertain you or follow your setup, etc, etc.

I suggest you look here: https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/07/14/memory-oc-showdown-frequency-vs-memory-timings
I cannot change your mind, because you will keep repeating what you have been told. Please read and think by your self.

This is could help you start:

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They did not use BankGroupSwapAlt.

They only used BankGroupSwap on/off.

That is reiterating what The Stilt has said before.

BankGroupSwap disabled loses you AIDA64 performance and gains you real world for 1DPC SR.

See the next chart on the link.

https://community.amd.com/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/38-1506-122963/pastedImage_3.png

When BankGroupSwap is disabled and BankGroupSwapAlt is enabled then AIDA64 does not lose performance and you still have real world gain. They have not done this setup.

You are failing to understand what The Stilt said and what I have reiterated now number of times.

The context of The Stilt's post was for 1DPC SR RAM, what Timur Born has and in that context I have provided information.

If the AMD article had chart of BGS: Off and BGSA: On it would show AIDA64 does not lose performance for that setup and still has real world performance.

Any UEFI where BGSA is not revealed to end user I would believe it would be disabled. As it is clear the UEFI/AGESA is not detecting what RAM is in rig and setting optimal setup. So AMD's article's charts would be all with BGSA: Disabled IMO, the AIDA64 chart clearly shows this IMO.
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i) Quote: "BGS: [Auto] BGSA: [Enabled]"

This is BGS set to enabled and BGSA is set to enabled.

I have answered in above post that above is not how it is and in your new post you do not even acknowledge I was right on that.

I do not need your help. When I do I will ask, thank you, be there when your needed not when not needed.

You are confusing this aspect of discussion and fail to read what I posted before and I have highlighted exactly what I am saying clearly in each post.

This is definitely my last post on this aspect and I will ignore anything you post on this aspect and not join in discussion.
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gupsterg my friend

BankGroupSwapAlt is Bank Group Swap Alternative method that simulate Bank Group Swap, you enable this then you have enabled Bank Group Swap, this is not optimal for 1DPC SR (as you call it). And I rest my case and wish you good luck. smile.gif
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Technically I wanted to know if BGS has to be manually set to disabled when BGSA is enabled, or if BGS "Auto" will disable on its own once BGSA is enabled. According to Gupsterg's tests the "Auto" setting switches on its own. The Stilt's phrasing was a bit ambivalent on this.

Of course it's no problem to just manually set both options, but I liked to have this clarified.
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I always had BankGroupSwapAlt Enabled and BankGroupSwap Disabled on my 3333MT/s Setup.
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