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I will give it a try tomorrow check at B&Q on my way home. However if I try to lower the voltage, does nothing. On the contrary it lowers my speeds.

At least with the 1501 bios doesn't pump at much power as the 1701 with everything default.


What sort of temperatures do you see with volts like that it should be like very high very fast no matter what cooler u on. On my epic water i get to 65c eventually after running ibt for hour
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Since lowering voltages gets you crashes. My guess would be it's a hardware sensor error reporting the voltages. That's just a guess of course.

Long shot but have you tried resetting the ec chip? It's possible it's corrupted. I unfortunately suffer from that problem.

To reset. Power down the machine, turn off psu. Wait for rgb lights to turn off. Pull cmos battery for 2 mins. I like to hold down power button to help clear capacitors. Press clear cmos button then reinstall battery.

I'd enter bios and load optimized default then run windows and see if it helps bring voltage readings back to normal.
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Hey! Yes I have the F4-3200C14D-16GTZR kit so this should be the Samsung B-Die correct?
What is the best way to get the bios snips?

Yes those are Samy B-Die biggrin.gif

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/649ay8/ram_collection_thread_please_post_your_ram/

Bios snips
Thumb drive FAT32
> F12 and follow prompts

Bios text file is in same area,
> save profile to usb
> Ctrl and F2, than > NAME the file and save.

I tried Bios 1701.... went back to 9920.
Much better for me. http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread/23730#post_26237954
Be sure to clear CMOS BEFORE and again AFTER flashing if you do.
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Since lowering voltages gets you crashes. My guess would be it's a hardware sensor error reporting the voltages. That's just a guess of course.

Long shot but have you tried resetting the ec chip? It's possible it's corrupted. I unfortunately suffer from that problem.

To reset. Power down the machine, turn off psu. Wait for rgb lights to turn off. Pull cmos battery for 2 mins. I like to hold down power button to help clear capacitors. Press clear cmos button then reinstall battery.

I'd enter bios and load optimized default then run windows and see if it helps bring voltage readings back to normal.

Followed your advice, left the battery out 5 minutes and flushed it. (see findings bellow).
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What sort of temperatures do you see with volts like that it should be like very high very fast no matter what cooler u on. On my epic water i get to 65c eventually after running ibt for hour

I use a Predator 360, with the what ever fan curve Asus has programmed for the CPU fan slot. Temps never go over 48/50C according to the CH6 temp sensor. According to the CPU sensor 62C.

Ok run 2 sets of benchmarks (x 3 runs each) since I removed the battery for 5 minutes, and system had proper "cold/boot".
The only difference after removing the battery, SOC voltage went down to 1.003v max. (stock) from the usual 1.199v-1.264v had earlier (with current 1501) and with the 1701 bios.


Stock settings, running 3 runs of the CPUZ benchmark. Thats the benchmark with 7 out of 8 cores are running at 4090Mhz and 1 at 3690Mhz. Vcore max 1.570 soc max 1.003, temps 42C max. (minimums and currents at around 0.6-0.8v).

LLC Level 4, vcore manual 1.425v, SOC manual 1.15v. All 8 cores stuck at 3193mhz like before no XFR boost.
Vcore Max, 1.504v, minimum, and current range between 1.482-1.504 all time. SOC 1.119v minimum & current. Max 1.221v.
Max temp 49C.

UPDATE.

Went to Ryzen master, set the voltage to 1.443 (default), clock 4100Mhz, and ram 3200mhz. Nothing else changed. And worth to post this, because makes no sense. Yes there is the odd spike at 1.526v, however most of the time, the system sits at 0.776v, even if the cores show constant speed 4100Mhz.




Update
lordzed83, installed 9920 beta bios.
a) Stock settings, core goes 1.570v, soc 0.981v. Cores running at 3720, and 2 boost at 4123 when running CPUz. When benchamr not running power goes between 0.776 and 1.439v all the time.

b) LLC 4, vcore manual 1.425v, soc manual 1.15v setting.
Power is constant 1.504 except when running the benchmark drops to 1.486v. SOC 1.199v constantly. Core speed 3218 constantly, no XFR boost. Temps high 50s when benching.
Edited by Apoll - 10/19/17 at 4:38pm
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Any suggestions on which stilt profile is better? Got identical 1836 cinebench runs on both 3333mhz fast and the 3466 profiles

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Used your settings. And had to restart the system running the test twice just in case.
(reset bios before so ram is 2133).

Set LLC Level 4. vcore manual 1.425v. SOC manual 1.15

Readings. Maximum voltage 1.504, SOC 1.26v. Constant running 1.482v, SOC 1.199v. Also thats the minimums.
CPUZ all cores run 3.193 no XFR boost.
Lower your soc voltage.Find the lowest stable for your ram.My 1700 needs 1.05.My 1800X needs 1 for stable 3466 14cl.
I was using 1.05 on 1800 and was getting crashes too.Start with 0.95 test and bump up to the one thats gona be stable for your kit.
Test with a stable cpu oc.(3.9 manual 1.37 for example).Lower your cpu LLC for lower spikes i use 1..Also set your bclk to 100 its 99.8 in 9920.
Edited by Moutsatsos - 10/19/17 at 5:38pm
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Used your settings. And had to restart the system running the test twice just in case.
(reset bios before so ram is 2133).

Set LLC Level 4. vcore manual 1.425v. SOC manual 1.15

Readings. Maximum voltage 1.504, SOC 1.26v. Constant running 1.482v, SOC 1.199v. Also thats the minimums.
CPUZ all cores run 3.193 no XFR boost.
not really sure about the whole bios thing and 1701 pushing more volts but i've owned two 1800x's so far. first one killed itself running at auto after three months and the replacement i got from amd likes to boost to 1.59v's while my previous one liked to hit 1.54v's at stock settings thanks to xfr. also my first one easily boosted a little over 4.1ghz while my new one hits around 4.09ghz.

in regards to soc, anything higher than 2666mhz ratio the crosshair will auto set soc to 1.15v's. only change it if 1.15v's isn't enough for some reason or you want to see if you can go lower.

now in regards to varying voltage's with vcore readings and i think i remember reading that elmor stated svi2 isn't that accurate at lower loads while svi2 is slightly more accurate during heavier loads. i think it has to do with ryzens power management screwing results. especially if you're using ryzen balance plan that's enabled by default when you install the chipset drivers. when cores go to sleep, whatever core was reporting last, is what svi2 will show. so if it showed 1.45v's last before it parked itself, svi2 will report 1.45v's while the bios will report something completely different. like right now hwinfo is reporting an average of 1.425v's svi2 while my bios voltage is reporting an average of 0.859v's.

also ryzens internal soc voltage will differ from the bios own soc voltage monitor as well. my ryzen's internal soc usually reports 1.13 - 1.15v's while the bios will report 1.15 - 1.17v's.

though either way it is odd with the voltage being off like that with manual voltage. i'm not sure but does xfr still operate when manual voltage is inputted? if so that could explain the higher voltage even with manual voltage set.
Edited by orlfman - 10/19/17 at 5:52pm
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first one killed itself running at auto after three months and the replacement i got from amd likes to boost to 1.59v's while my previous one liked to hit 1.54v's at stock settings thanks to xfr.

 

Oh, look at that, Ryzen processors killing themselves with over 1.5v? That's a fairytale that doesn't happen....

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It's not as if you can't just turn the RGB off. Of course you're paying for the RGB too.


Yes, crappy or un-optimized RAM can make the CPU require a higher vcore to be stable, the IMC and all that stuff is connected, has been since the Phenom days, more or less.

I see. I wonder how good it would run with better ram.
I did manage to get it to 3200mhz with procODT, we'll see how stable it is and if I can push it higher than default...
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not really sure about the whole bios thing and 1701 pushing more volts but i've owned two 1800x's so far. first one killed itself running at auto after three months and the replacement i got from amd likes to boost to 1.59v's while my previous one liked to hit 1.54v's at stock settings thanks to xfr. also my first one easily boosted a little over 4.1ghz while my new one hits around 4.09ghz.

in regards to soc, anything higher than 2666mhz ratio the crosshair will auto set soc to 1.15v's. only change it if 1.15v's isn't enough for some reason or you want to see if you can go lower.

now in regards to varying voltage's with vcore readings and i think i remember reading that elmor stated svi2 isn't that accurate at lower loads while svi2 is slightly more accurate during heavier loads. i think it has to do with ryzens power management screwing results. especially if you're using ryzen balance plan that's enabled by default when you install the chipset drivers. when cores go to sleep, whatever core was reporting last, is what svi2 will show. so if it showed 1.45v's last before it parked itself, svi2 will report 1.45v's while the bios will report something completely different. like right now hwinfo is reporting an average of 1.425v's svi2 while my bios voltage is reporting an average of 0.859v's.

also ryzens internal soc voltage will differ from the bios own soc voltage monitor as well. my ryzen's internal soc usually reports 1.13 - 1.15v's while the bios will report 1.15 - 1.17v's.

though either way it is odd with the voltage being off like that with manual voltage. i'm not sure but does xfr still operate when manual voltage is inputted? if so that could explain the higher voltage even with manual voltage set.

I should definitely not keep volage on auto then, right?
It's on default right now and it gets to 1.26 during stress testing but it randomly jumps to 1.4 and 1.5 while idle. Wasn't sure if that's false readings.
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Having trouble setting correct Dram Voltage due to the error i'm guessing. but if run my dram voltage at 1.425 i'm only getting 1.395 what do i set it at so i can get 1.40? because if i go about that i get 1.417
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