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Is this a reading error or the memory just spiked itself to more than is set (1666) ?

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Originally Posted by R71800XSS View Post

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Yes, it is there, but the problem is W10 don´t restart (in anyway) and always hangs. Yesterday update to last windows release and it do same too. Only with Windows10, not others.

I have a Acer USB scanner with drivers don´t signed for W10 x64 bits but I can´t install this drivers if W10 hangs and hangs because I have to turn off PC with Ac power or PC button and then drivers don´t install. It's maddening because I can´t setup anything. I tried all but I think problem is with samsung M2 disk and w10 on C6H. Now I am installing and trying Bios 1701 and the problem go on, PC dont´t restart, scanner don't install, every day w10 update W10 hangs blinking HD led on C6H and I must turn off. I dont know if it is a bug C6H with M2 disk or it is W10 problem with C6H and M2. Wait somebody read it and help me, I wouldn´t have reinstall W10 again, it´s hard and the last thing I want to do.

My setup today is:

C6H with bios 1701 at memory 3200 stable (before 3333 with 1403)
M2 disk Samsung 500 Gb Pcie
W10 pro (deactivate - license expired days ago,it was digital from W7). This is OS where I am habitally.
Ubuntu on SDD Samsung 850.
W7 in HD 2Tb.
W10 in 2 TB
HD 4Tb for data.
RAM: Gskill F4-3200c14-GTZ 2x16 Gb. dual rank in slot A2-B2.
There is a way to enter the boot menu if you are unable to use Windows, you need to do this:

- Shutdown.
- Start the PC.
- When Windows is loading (circle appears), just use the RESET button of your PC.
- When Windows is loading again, use the RESET again.
- Then Windows would boot into the safe boot menu.

TLDR: Don't let Windows boot, twice.
Edited by Frikencio - 10/20/17 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by 1usmus View Post

Ryzen DRAM Calculator 0.9.6v5 - alpha 5

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byx_5So-FNsdR2F1V0pkR1k1WFE/view?usp=sharing




UHQ XMP - Samsung b-die with XMP profile
HQ XMP - Hynix MFR / AFR + Samsung c,d,e-die + Micron with XMP profile
Without XMP - for all memory without XMP profile

* button Save - the program remembers your entered values
* button Screen - makes screenshots

What values to enter?



p.s. still there will be a lot of corrections of calculations, do not worry smile.gif


wwhere can i read all these timings in the bottom picture? i have seen that mask before but dont remembder where laugher.gif
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Thanks
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Originally Posted by kaseki View Post

Surely you jest. All digital systems have quantization levels, and for the C6H voltage controllers it is more than 5 mV; 20-something-mV as I vaguely recall, although this may vary with the controller. (From your own reported values it is 22.5 mV in this case.) Further, one shouldn't expect a controller with a given quantization to be stable to significantly less than the quantization level. Any stability you see is due to the quantization being higher than the variation. A 'scope or high resolution (non-averaging) digital voltmeter will reveal the actual behavior. And just to make the issue worse, the digitization of the actual voltage (A to D) reported in the BIOS would be expected to be taken with a different circuit than the voltage controller reference voltage (D to A) derived from the BIOS setting. Last, minimizing noise by minimizing trace lengths leads to voltage measurements that are not at the point of load, and hence have errors due to circuit resistance.
Thank you for the time you’ve spent to explain everything. If I had to be honest I didn’t understand much of it due to me just not knowing. Since you know so much about it though may I ask if what I’m seeing is correct? Should o be in puting 1.42 to get 1.395

Sorry if I sounded harsh, I believe people should try to understand how the things they use work, particularly if they are modifying one of them to work in a manner that was not a design requirement.

To succinctly answer your question: Yes, if you want (more or less) 1.395 measured somewhere by something. I guess I should have asked, where are you reading the 1.395, in the BIOS, under some Windows program such as HWINFO, or with a meter?

Bottom line is that you can only set parameters at the quantization offered, and the setting should be tested to see if it provides the desired result as this is what is important. Caution is advised with respect to believing either the setting or the reading. When I list a set of DRAM voltages that I'm running successfully, e.g., 1.375V, I am reporting the BIOS setting values, as they are the only numbers I can control (within the quantization limits).

Also, I wouldn't worry too much about several millivolts. They are not the cause of instability when trying to push the Ryzen ecosystem past its design limitations. At most they will slightly change the number of fails per unit time in Google Stress Application Test, perhaps providing a hint toward which direction a voltage (e.g., CDDO_VDDP) should be changed.

If your DRAM is G.Skill and the extended capability is, e.g., 3200 MT/s at 1.35V, then that voltage should work at 3200, or be close to working, as it was tested (probably in an Intel PC) at that frequency. Higher voltages may be needed for higher frequencies. If you are not achieving stability or even successful posting at the listed frequency and at the listed voltage, or at most the next step voltage, consideration should be given to revising the timing parameters, and/or the drive and loading parameters, and/or one of the lower voltages used to set data thresholds.

You have an assembly (DDR4 DRAM) that, along with the interconnect processing of Ryzen, has dozens of tuning parameters, some of which we have access to, some of which we don't, and some of which the AGESA attempts to tune no matter what we do. More voltage is not necessarily the solution to DRAM performance difficulties.
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@1usmus

Your prog didn't work for me, i have 4*16GB of g skill f3200q14-16gtz, tried input settings from you but didn't work at all.

I already achieve 3200 CL 14 with my own setting and yours don't work, can't even boot with a conservative setting for 3333 Mhz windows don't load at all.

For me Trfc seem to tight, can lower it more than 280, your setting suggest 256.

Your program is a good thing but for now it can work for 4*8GB max i think.

 

But great job in doing it.:thumb: 

 

edit: it allowed me to correct incorrect calculation of certain timing.


Edited by poisson21 - 10/20/17 at 10:42am
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Is 0052 the latest beta version of the bios?
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Did anyone actually tried the game mode in windows 10? If so, did the gaming experience improve or is it a big joke?

I ask this because i am not able to turn game mode on as i can't even see a button and game bar also doesn't work.. I have audio problems, some startup programs don't startup anymore etc. More people here with similar problems and found a fix for this?
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Originally Posted by kaseki View Post

Sorry if I sounded harsh, I believe people should try to understand how the things they use work, particularly if they are modifying one of them to work in a manner that was not a design requirement.

To succinctly answer your question: Yes, if you want (more or less) 1.395 measured somewhere by something. I guess I should have asked, where are you reading the 1.395, in the BIOS, under some Windows program such as HWINFO, or with a meter?

Bottom line is that you can only set parameters at the quantization offered, and the setting should be tested to see if it provides the desired result as this is what is important. Caution is advised with respect to believing either the setting or the reading. When I list a set of DRAM voltages that I'm running successfully, e.g., 1.375V, I am reporting the BIOS setting values, as they are the only numbers I can control (within the quantization limits).

Also, I wouldn't worry too much about several millivolts. They are not the cause of instability when trying to push the Ryzen ecosystem past its design limitations. At most they will slightly change the number of fails per unit time in Google Stress Application Test, perhaps providing a hint toward which direction a voltage (e.g., CDDO_VDDP) should be changed.

If your DRAM is G.Skill and the extended capability is, e.g., 3200 MT/s at 1.35V, then that voltage should work at 3200, or be close to working, as it was tested (probably in an Intel PC) at that frequency. Higher voltages may be needed for higher frequencies. If you are not achieving stability or even successful posting at the listed frequency and at the listed voltage, or at most the next step voltage, consideration should be given to revising the timing parameters, and/or the drive and loading parameters, and/or one of the lower voltages used to set data thresholds.

You have an assembly (DDR4 DRAM) that, along with the interconnect processing of Ryzen, has dozens of tuning parameters, some of which we have access to, some of which we don't, and some of which the AGESA attempts to tune no matter what we do. More voltage is not necessarily the solution to DRAM performance difficulties.
I didn’t take your last response as an attack it’s completely fine 😁. The voltages I’m looking at are both in bios and in hwinfo they report the same. My question pretty much is it normal that I have to set 1.42 in bios to get voltage readings at 1.395?
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Did anyone actually tried the game mode in windows 10? If so, did the gaming experience improve or is it a big joke?

I ask this because i am not able to turn game mode on as i can't even see a button and game bar also doesn't work.. I have audio problems, some startup programs don't startup anymore etc. More people here with similar problems and found a fix for this?
gamer nexus tested it today

didnt seem to make any difference from what i saw
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