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@1usmus

Finally got around to try out the keyboard fix and test/try out the calc's timmings. for the most part the timmings it crunched out works (Always gonna be some level of error)

Here's what it calculated based off my ram set: G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 3200mhzCas14 Model F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR



And with EC1 9458 and Bios 1602 I managed



BLK: 104.5
MemSpeed: 3344
DramV: 1.45 Extreme manual 300khz
Soc: 1.2 LLC3 Optimized
VDDP: 1.005
VTTDDR : 0.726
VPP_Mem: 2.52
CLDO 900
Cad Rec 3 from Calc

unfortunately I could not get it to boot and stick without gear down mode enabled and I had to bump ras up by 2 for stability after erroring in I also dropped any modifications to proc and rtt as that would refuse boot and stick as well.
Unfortunately Windows 10 with the falls creators update with these timmings still hangs a bit when it goes to start explorer after login, similarly to how it behaved with my settings that were rock solid on the last windows update. cad bus seems to effect this to some degree as I get variances of initial system hang with 30/30/40/60 24/24/40/60 and default on my previous settings. with this being a bit more solid I'll be screwing around with cad way more tomorrow and see what I come up with. It might be that I was on to something and that aura and classic shell was also effecting this but I didn't methodically poke that line of thought with any sort of concrete testing so....

also fairly certain, given when I checked with the old setting when I updated, my score would be higher if it was the last windows update but..



slowly but surely getting to 170 cp biggrin.gif
Edited by LightningManGTS - 10/21/17 at 10:29pm
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Originally Posted by LightningManGTS View Post

@1usmus

Finally got around to try out the keyboard fix and test/try out the calc's timmings. for the most part the timmings it crunched out works (Always gonna be some level of error)

Here's what it calculated based off my ram set: G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 3200mhzCas14 Model F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR



And with EC1 9458 and Bios 1602 I managed



BLK: 104.5
MemSpeed: 3344
DramV: 1.45 Extreme manual 300khz
Soc: 1.2 LLC3 Optimized
VDDP: 1.005
VTTDDR : 0.726
VPP_Mem: 2.52
CLDO 900
Cad Rec 3 from Calc

unfortunately I could not get it to boot and stick without gear down mode enabled and I had to bump ras up by 2 for stability after erroring in I also dropped any modifications to proc and rtt as that would refuse boot and stick as well.
Unfortunately Windows 10 with the falls creators update with these timmings still hangs a bit when it goes to start explorer after login, similarly to how it behaved with my settings that were rock solid on the last windows update. cad bus seems to effect this to some degree as I get variances of initial system hang with 30/30/40/60 24/24/40/60 and default on my previous settings. with this being a bit more solid I'll be screwing around with cad way more tomorrow and see what I come up with. It might be that I was on to something and that aura and classic shell was also effecting this but I didn't methodically poke that line of thought with any sort of concrete testing so....

also fairly certain, given when I checked with the old setting when I updated, my score would be higher if it was the last windows update but..
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

slowly but surely getting to 170 cp biggrin.gif

We can see here an issue that will certainly drive some crazy. Comparing tRFCns in Ryzen Timing Checker to tRFCns in Ryzen DRAM Calculator we find a factor of approximately 2. I assume that this is because RTC is calculating transfer time from MT/s and RDC is calculating cycle time from the actual clock frequency (Hz). Somehow these need to be distinguished by the terminology used.
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Originally Posted by ciukacz View Post

A couple of days ago I bought Plextor M8PeG 1TB (M.2 form factor), my first NVME SSD.
I noticed that by default all SMART monitoring software has issues reading counters from this drive:
- SSDLife Free fails every single time
- CrystalDiskInfo is hit or miss, sometimes I have to rescan (F6) 10+ times for counters to appear
- HWInfo64 sensors will show SMART section once in a couple of launches. Have to quit and launch HWInfo64 again for it to try and read SMART counters again.

ONLY if I do the registry hack that exposes hidden power plan setting "NVME idle timeout" AND change the default from 100ms to some larger value (like 60s) ONLY THEN reading of SMART counters will work for HWInfo64 and CrystalDiskInfo (but not for SSDLife Free). I guess that means this drive does not respond to SMART queries when put to some power saving state.

And my question is: is this normal or indicative of a failing/bad drive?
If this is to be expected then is this maybe Plextor specific? AM4 specific?

Other parts:
- Ryzen CPU
- ASUS Crosshair VI Hero motherboard

Other details (some probably irrelevant):
- performance of the drive is on par with what I've seen in reviews on AM4 (which is a bit lower than Intel)
- BIOS section "NVME controller and drive information" does not show the drive
- configured as a boot drive (works)
- Windows 10 Pro FCU (1709)
- AMD chipset drivers installed
- Ryzen balanced power plan
- latest official motherboard BIOS (1701)
- latest SSD firmware (1.06)
- fast startup disabled in OS (for WOL from shutdown to work)
- hibernation disabled (plain S3 only)
- Microsoft's native NVME driver
- CSM disabled in BIOS
- GPT partitioning scheme
- M.2 speed set to Gen 3 in BIOS
- all SMART monitoring software used is up to date

Why do you have CSM disabled? I Can't even boot when i disable it.

I would enable it and see what you get.

Have you also enabled or disabled Windows write back caching? This is what i need to use in order to get full potential from my Samsung 950 Pro:



Best program to test SSD's is Anvil IMO, it shows all the speeds and you can check SMART Data as well.
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Originally Posted by LightningManGTS View Post

@1usmus

Finally got around to try out the keyboard fix and test/try out the calc's timmings. for the most part the timmings it crunched out works (Always gonna be some level of error)

Here's what it calculated based off my ram set: G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 3200mhzCas14 Model F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
And with EC1 9458 and Bios 1602 I managed
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
BLK: 104.5
MemSpeed: 3344
DramV: 1.45 Extreme manual 300khz
Soc: 1.2 LLC3 Optimized
VDDP: 1.005
VTTDDR : 0.726
VPP_Mem: 2.52
CLDO 900
Cad Rec 3 from Calc

unfortunately I could not get it to boot and stick without gear down mode enabled and I had to bump ras up by 2 for stability after erroring in I also dropped any modifications to proc and rtt as that would refuse boot and stick as well.
Unfortunately Windows 10 with the falls creators update with these timmings still hangs a bit when it goes to start explorer after login, similarly to how it behaved with my settings that were rock solid on the last windows update. cad bus seems to effect this to some degree as I get variances of initial system hang with 30/30/40/60 24/24/40/60 and default on my previous settings. with this being a bit more solid I'll be screwing around with cad way more tomorrow and see what I come up with. It might be that I was on to something and that aura and classic shell was also effecting this but I didn't methodically poke that line of thought with any sort of concrete testing so....

also fairly certain, given when I checked with the old setting when I updated, my score would be higher if it was the last windows update but..
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
slowly but surely getting to 170 cp biggrin.gif
Disable GearDown and maybe you can lower ur main latencies, like tRCDWR and tRP. It helped me with dual channel. I was able to lower tRP 21% (14 > 11). But it also depends of ur voltage. I'm a bit higher side.
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Oh, look at that, Ryzen processors killing themselves with over 1.5v? That's a fairytale that doesn't happen....
i really don't know if voltage killed it or not. core 1 and core 15 developed critical (not warning) cache hierarchy errors in event viewer that then turned into system freezes and reboots shortly after they appeared. amd issued a warranty replacement right away.
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I see. I wonder how good it would run with better ram.
I did manage to get it to 3200mhz with procODT, we'll see how stable it is and if I can push it higher than default...
I should definitely not keep volage on auto then, right?
It's on default right now and it gets to 1.26 during stress testing but it randomly jumps to 1.4 and 1.5 while idle. Wasn't sure if that's false readings.
from talking to amd and amd_robert on reddit they assured these voltages are "normal" xfr behavior. as long as average is under 1.42v's you are fine. they told me to focus more on the average voltage rather than the spikes. though i'll admit they still make my stomach uneasy but hey if it fries i'll send it in, again. this is apparently amd default certified voltage behavior.
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Why do you have CSM disabled? I Can't even boot when i disable it.

I would enable it and see what you get.

Have you also enabled or disabled Windows write back caching? This is what i need to use in order to get full potential from my Samsung 950 Pro:



Best program to test SSD's is Anvil IMO, it shows all the speeds and you can check SMART Data as well.
I have a Samsung SSD 960 EVO 1TB and there's no mention of SCSI. I guess maybe the 950 Pro is different.
I believe the selected boot device is called "Samsung M.2 Manager"
I have CSM disabled, OS Type = Windows UEFI mode. Write back caching is enabled by default.
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I have a Samsung SSD 960 EVO 1TB and there's no mention of SCSI. I guess maybe the 950 Pro is different.
I believe the selected boot device is called "Samsung M.2 Manager"
I have CSM disabled, OS Type = Windows UEFI mode. Write back caching is enabled by default.
For my 500Gb version there is

Perhaps you didn't look at the right spot thumb.gif
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Well ye but You cant put number above 54 tFAW in bios thats what in on about. Or is it 1701 bios bug?? Never had it above 40 before
I'm on the 1501 bios and here it's also limited to 54 tFAW
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Originally Posted by ciukacz View Post

A couple of days ago I bought Plextor M8PeG 1TB (M.2 form factor), my first NVME SSD.
I noticed that by default all SMART monitoring software has issues reading counters from this drive:
- SSDLife Free fails every single time
- CrystalDiskInfo is hit or miss, sometimes I have to rescan (F6) 10+ times for counters to appear
- HWInfo64 sensors will show SMART section once in a couple of launches. Have to quit and launch HWInfo64 again for it to try and read SMART counters again.

ONLY if I do the registry hack that exposes hidden power plan setting "NVME idle timeout" AND change the default from 100ms to some larger value (like 60s) ONLY THEN reading of SMART counters will work for HWInfo64 and CrystalDiskInfo (but not for SSDLife Free). I guess that means this drive does not respond to SMART queries when put to some power saving state.

And my question is: is this normal or indicative of a failing/bad drive?
If this is to be expected then is this maybe Plextor specific? AM4 specific?
Maybe try re-seating the M.2 drive. Boot into Safe Mode and see if you can get a SMART reading quickly. Forget SSDLife and use the other two programs.
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Originally Posted by R71800XSS View Post

My DDR4 is Gskill F4-3200c14-GTZ dual rank 2 x16 Gb (Samsung B-die). Although your memory is other, you can try my settings.

For 1403 Bios, my settings down let you get 3333 strap.

However, with 1701, (only two days by now I install it) until now only stable at 3200.

If when you try your new settings works ok, I would ask you to publish it here, not all configurations work the same on all PCs with the same memory, so we would compare different setup.

Thanks.

PD: EC1 310 on C6H
---

Am using the F4-3200C14D-32GVK kit - https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-32gvk *oh woops, you edited asking this part out, my bad!*

Running the 1403 BIOS, tried 3333 MHz this morning, got 4 errors within the first 30min, so moved them back down to 3200 MHz - with the 1usmus settings.
I might try your settings out, will get back to you if I do smile.gif

Quote:
Originally Posted by kaseki View Post

These settings are in the 9920 BIOS, and perhaps a few earlier ones.

'aight, thank you - appreciate the reply.
Any idea about how much those 'missing' settings might cost me? As stated above, 3333 MHz threw off errors.
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