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Hey guys, I got a new Asus Strix X370-F + Ryzen 1700x and start some testing, but I'm stuck and I don't know where to ask my question (is there an official thread?). I write here because the mobos are very similar and hopefully someone can help me.

I'm having bad times trying to understand what are the correct voltages of my CPU. HwInfo shows sensors from CPU and from MoBo but they're very different. CPU-Z shows me a completely wrong voltage (see picture).

BIOS and AI Suite gives me voltages similar to HwInfo mobo sensor:

MoBo sensor:
VDDCR CPU (MoBo): 1.427v (1.448v max)

Ryzen sensor:
SVI2 TFN (CPU): 1.356v (1.381v)

I'm at LLC3 and offset vcore. The difference is critical and i don't know what are the correct temperatures. Can you help me? Thank you.

ryzen-oc.png
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Originally Posted by voreo View Post

So when this next update releases, maybe the thread should be rebooted if EVERYTHING is changing... it just means the past nearly 3k pages will become obsolete right?

Mostly.

Thing is no one is going to read 3k pages.

If I get some time this week I can start journaling the important parts for a summary page.
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Originally Posted by voreo View Post

So when this next update releases, maybe the thread should be rebooted if EVERYTHING is changing... it just means the past nearly 3k pages will become obsolete right?

Mostly.

Thing is no one is going to read 3k pages.

If I get some time this week I can start journaling the important parts for a summary page.

Some of us have. tongue.gif

Timings may become obsolete, but I wouldn't bet on it as many of them are more a property of the DRAM than of the CPU. Cold boot issues may become obsolete, although this may require Hell to freeze over. Methods used to close in on good timings are unlikely to be obsolete.
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That's impossible.. That would mean that your CPU only would draw nearly 150 watts while you are "only" running it at 4 GHz. Ryzen platform doesn't draw that much power as many people said before.
Perhaps only when you do LN2 or extreme overclocking you would notice an difference.

Besides, MSI does provide it on their X370 Xpower gaming Titanium board while the vrm's can't even handle the power... Its overkill and its there because they can not that its needed.
I also just decided to plug the 4 pin in my system.I know everyone says it's just a parallel and is super unessesary unless ur extreme OC. I'm using uefi 1403 and am getting slightly lower temp(1-3 degrees). could be margin of error idk. but i can reach slightly higher clocks than before
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Originally Posted by starise View Post

Hey guys, I got a new Asus Strix X370-F + Ryzen 1700x and start some testing, but I'm stuck and I don't know where to ask my question (is there an official thread?). I write here because the mobos are very similar and hopefully someone can help me.

I'm having bad times trying to understand what are the correct voltages of my CPU. HwInfo shows sensors from CPU and from MoBo but they're very different. CPU-Z shows me a completely wrong voltage (see picture).

BIOS and AI Suite gives me voltages similar to HwInfo mobo sensor:

MoBo sensor:
VDDCR CPU (MoBo): 1.427v (1.448v max)

Ryzen sensor:
SVI2 TFN (CPU): 1.356v (1.381v)

I'm at LLC3 and offset vcore. The difference is critical and i don't know what are the correct temperatures. Can you help me? Thank you.

ryzen-oc.png

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Originally Posted by Gadfly View Post

Mostly.

Thing is no one is going to read 3k pages.

If I get some time this week I can start journaling the important parts for a summary page.

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Originally Posted by kaseki View Post

Some of us have. tongue.gif

Timings may become obsolete, but I wouldn't bet on it as many of them are more a property of the DRAM than of the CPU. Cold boot issues may become obsolete, although this may require Hell to freeze over. Methods used to close in on good timings are unlikely to be obsolete.

Do yourself a huge favor and uninstall Asus AI Suite asap. It's known to be very buggy http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread/27880#post_26377701
HWinfo64 will work best.

Simplified answer,
VDDCR CPU (MoBo): 1.427v (1.448v max) = read this when system is not under load (Vcore)
SVI2 TFN (CPU): 1.356v (1.381v) is what you read/use when under load



source http://www.overclock.net/t/1625015/ryzen-essential-info-with-link-to-owners-info-db part way down the op under FAQ will shed some light on the topic. A lot of really good info on the OP.

Max temp for an X version is CPU (Tctl) of 115c before throttling occurs.
95c is the max for all SKU but the X has an additional 20c "Offset" to aid fan control in Bios.

Gadfly; Like kaseki I too am one of those that has read every post in this thread from day one. I can remember one week I took 48 hrs off of OCN/this thread and came back to a unread 1200 posts in this thread lol. What a nightmare.
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Do yourself a huge favor and uninstall Asus AI Suite asap. It's known to be very buggy http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread/27880#post_26377701
HWinfo64 will work best.

Simplified answer,
VDDCR CPU (MoBo): 1.427v (1.448v max) = read this when system is not under load (Vcore)
SVI2 TFN (CPU): 1.356v (1.381v) is what you read/use when under load



source http://www.overclock.net/t/1625015/ryzen-essential-info-with-link-to-owners-info-db part way down the op under FAQ will shed some light on the topic. A lot of really good info on the OP.

Max temp for an X version is CPU (Tctl) of 115c before throttling occurs.
95c is the max for all SKU but the X has an additional 20c "Offset" to aid fan control in Bios.

Gadfly; Like kaseki I too am one of those that has read every post in this thread from day one. I can remember one week I took 48 hrs off of OCN/this thread and came back to a unread 1200 posts in this thread lol. What a nightmare.

Aisuite Is great when finding stable voltages, especially with memory as you can adjust them and just restart hci when errors are generated, then just close it when not needed.


I read most of the pages too, but no one new is going to do that. 1.0.0.7 might be a good time to start a new thread.
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I agree with several others here and think once the new AGESA drops, a new thread should be created. Because, you have to admit, 3000 pages IS rather ludicrous. tongue.gif
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I agree with several others here and think once the new AGESA drops, a new thread should be created. Because, you have to admit, 3000 pages IS rather ludicrous. tongue.gif

 

But than i cant use the serchfunction anymore and always have to switch between threads :/
This thread is like an insider Ryzen Wiki

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I also just decided to plug the 4 pin in my system.I know everyone says it's just a parallel and is super unessesary unless ur extreme OC. I'm using uefi 1403 and am getting slightly lower temp(1-3 degrees). could be margin of error idk. but i can reach slightly higher clocks than before

Interesting, another uses claims the same..

I Am not saying that it is impossible but there simply is no need for the extra 4-pin as Ryzen chips are not that power hungry. 1-3 c difference is not much and can be related to slightly lower ambient temps, different load etc.

How much of an difference you see in clocks?
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I also just decided to plug the 4 pin in my system.I know everyone says it's just a parallel and is super unessesary unless ur extreme OC. I'm using uefi 1403 and am getting slightly lower temp(1-3 degrees). could be margin of error idk. but i can reach slightly higher clocks than before

This thread grows too fast and I wasn't able to find the user who recommended that if your PSU has both CPU connectors it would be best to plug them both in. One of the benefits he mentioned was the possibility lowering cpu temps. I was never able to get my NZXT Kraken's Cam software show my cpu temps in the 20's before on idle. I use a fixed fan speed at 65% at all times. Before when I had just one main 8-pin connector it was always in mid 30's on idle. My load in games I also noticed at least 4-5c temp decrease as well.

I just went in the manual book and it clearly says to plug 4pin/8pin connectors. I know it's still vague in how they worded it because the mobo does actually still boot with just one 8-pin connector. I'm gonna guess that those with older PSU's that come with 24pin connector and just 4pin cpu connector should also be able to boot? Who wants to try it? smile.gif They also don't mention anything about xtreme OCing or LN cooling which I kind a find to be a bit funny to think or assume Asus went out of their way with this for the just 0.00000001% of owners that actually OC using LN lol I kind a find that hard to believe. Out of 10k mobo's sold how many do you think are used for LN? There has to be another or a better reason.

I know Ryzen's are not power hungry but maybe we're asking the wrong question...maybe it's just that having both connectors makes the cpu run more efficient on how it receives the current/amperes?

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