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I purchased my motherboard from Microcenter on the launch day for Ryzen. It worked for almost a week then died. After working with Asus on this issue it was discovered that the BIOS had a flaw in the code that causes the board to stop powering on. Asus issued an RMA and I shipped it to Asus' RMA center on March 20th. This is the end of the story. Asus has had the board since and refuses to issue me a refund or a replacement. In the beginning, after I shipped the board to them, I was in the understanding that supply was limited. I expected to wait a week or so until they could acquire a replacement. Many phone calls to Asus later and the RMA status has not changed. Despite a promise for an update, within two days of my initial call, I still haven't received a word. Now the Microcenter shows 10+ in stock along with several large competitor's of Microcenter. Asus has shipped their retail partner's plenty of stock and forgot about the little guy who has already purchased the board. I wished I would have returned the motherboard to Microcenter!
post #7582 of 17462
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Originally Posted by bluej511 View Post

Not sure which bios to try out but im thinking either 79 or 81.

0079 went for me like this.

On 1002, enter UEFI, load UEFI optimised defaults and save/reboot. Shutdown rig, do flashback of 0079. Boot board enter UEFI and set my "base" profile, save/reboot. Enter UEFI and I set CPU OC/3200MHz C14 RAM as per 1002 UEFI, save reboot and in OS smile.gif .

Been running f@h for a while no issues to report. Will later see if gain anymore RAM speed by using BCLK. Then gonna try 0081.
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post #7583 of 17462
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Originally Posted by J-Bo View Post

I purchased my motherboard from Microcenter on the launch day for Ryzen. It worked for almost a week then died. After working with Asus on this issue it was discovered that the BIOS had a flaw in the code that causes the board to stop powering on. Asus issued an RMA and I shipped it to Asus' RMA center on March 20th. This is the end of the story. Asus has had the board since and refuses to issue me a refund or a replacement. In the beginning, after I shipped the board to them, I was in the understanding that supply was limited. I expected to wait a week or so until they could acquire a replacement. Many phone calls to Asus later and the RMA status has not changed. Despite a promise for an update, within two days of my initial call, I still haven't received a word. Now the Microcenter shows 10+ in stock along with several large competitor's of Microcenter. Asus has shipped their retail partner's plenty of stock and forgot about the little guy who has already purchased the board. I wished I would have returned the motherboard to Microcenter!

The one I had that suicided went right back to microcenter. That's one of the benefits of buying in store.
post #7584 of 17462
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Originally Posted by dorbot View Post

I know this is an overclocking thread and if anyone knows a troubleshooting thread, could you post a link? This thread seems to be all things to all Men just now.

I have never overclocked the CPU. Only ram to 3200 once using F4-3600C16D but then didn't (cold) start the next day.
So I'm on 0079 now
Even with stock settings just after a flashback my board is a real bastar to start. I'm getting to the point of admitting defeat. Many different error codes with no pattern I can identify.
You could say it takes two hours to boot into windows every morning which is not exactly optimal......
The more bios that I try the worse it seems to get. It is like there is an ever growing pile of old settings getting jumbled about and its perhaps one in thirty attempts that actually manage to bring Windows up. But then its fine, restarts normally. Unless I change anything in bios or shut the machine down overnight.
Sigh......
I'm certain I am not the only one.
Any ideas? RMA? Hammer? Strongly worded letter to ASUS and AMD?
I could change the power supply but that is really clutching at straws.

Perhaps doing a modest overclock would be more reliable than leaving it stock?
I just want it to turn on when I push the on button.

Ok I am going to go back into bios and set the fans so they dont sound like a jet engine. Wish me luck I may not be back....... 0d,56, 36,54 what will it be.......?
lol.
Fun and games.

I didn't see a specific reply, so let me ask: Are you clearing the BIOS and reflashing before each change? I have the impression from the past 7500 or so posts that sometimes the BIOS and/or EC save values that one may not want to apply to the next attempt to find a good set of parameters, thereby thwarting the trial and error process.
     
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post #7585 of 17462
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Originally Posted by elmor View Post

Got some new BIOS so I'll pull the previous ones (obselete). All new BIOSes has the Voltage offset during recovery bug fixed. Would be very nice to get some feedback on which is working best for you guys in terms of DRAM compability.

Test BIOS 0079

Test BIOS with new AGESA 1004a, with a couple of bugfixes. Up to 5% performance increases in specific applications. Also has P-state overclocking working with BCLK increase. If you want to keep C-states, make sure to set Advanced\AMD CBS\Zen Common Options\Global C-state Control = Enabled. There are two new settings under AMD CBS\UMC Common Options\DDR4 Common Options\ you might want to take a look at, Fail_CNT and ProcODT. Fail_CNT decides how many times to retry when DRAM training fails (F9 -> 0d), default is now 1. ProcODT can help improve your DRAM overclocking. There's a setting available also on previous BIOSes under AMD CBS\UMC Common Options\DRAM Memory Mapping named BankGroupSwap. If you have 2x Single-Rank modules you can try setting this to Disabled and you might see some performance boost in certain applications.

Test BIOS 0081

Same as 0079 but has ProcODT default = 53.3 ohm

Test BIOS 0082

Same as 0081 but with a DRAM compability patch for the below part numbers

CMK16GX4M4A2133C13
AHU08GGB13CGT7G
PV416G240C5QK
F4-2400C15Q-32GRR
TCD44G2400C14BK
F4-2666C16Q2-64GRB
AVD4UZ126661504G
BLT8G4D26AFTA.16FAD
IMA41GU6MFR8N-C F0
MD16GK4D4266615AXR
HX430C15PB2K4/16
HX430C15PBK4/32
AX4U3333W4G16-QGZ
GAM4DBLBM2133D15IE041C
TC48G24S817
SP004GBLFU213N02
78.C1GM3.AF10B
F4-3200C16D-8GVKB

MTA4ATF51264AZ-2G6B1
MTA8ATF1G64AZ-2G3B1
MTA16ATF2G64AZ-2G6B1
HMA41GU7AFR8N-TF T0
HMA451U7AFR8N-TF T0
HMA41GU6AFR8N-UH N0
M378A2K43BB1-CTD
M378A1K43BB1-CRC
M378A1G43EB1-CRC

Test BIOS 0083

Same as 0081 but with "2T" DRAM Mode when using above 2666 DRAM Ratio.

C6H + 1700 and these new bioses are DANGEROUS!

With previous bioses +0.1v offset was 1.31v
With these new bioses +0.1v offset was over 1.4v!

So when I reapplied my previously valid +0.25 offset I got way over 1.5v! Almost 1.6v! Red in bios! CPU melting! mad.gif

After lowering the voltage back to safe levels I tried to save Pstate OC. Nope. Did not work. Tried slower settings. Nope. Did not work. I was not able to save any pstate OC with these bioses!

Before and after flashing: Clear cmos (over 10 seconds), load default and reboot. No help there.

Now I'm back to 1002 that works just fine. Memory max 2666 but at least it's working. Be safe and test low voltage before applying the "good old values". They might be totally different with the new bios!
post #7586 of 17462
0083 unfortunately doesn't let me get better timings for my ram running in 2T mode, so i'll be switching to 0082.
post #7587 of 17462
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Originally Posted by mRkukov View Post

C6H + 1700 and these new bioses are DANGEROUS!

With previous bioses +0.1v offset was 1.31v
With these new bioses +0.1v offset was over 1.4v!

So when I reapplied my previously valid +0.25 offset I got way over 1.5v! Almost 1.6v! Red in bios! CPU melting! mad.gif

After lowering the voltage back to safe levels I tried to save Pstate OC. Nope. Did not work. Tried slower settings. Nope. Did not work. I was not able to save any pstate OC with these bioses!

Before and after flashing: Clear cmos (over 10 seconds), load default and reboot. No help there.

Now I'm back to 1002 that works just fine. Memory max 2666 but at least it's working. Be safe and test low voltage before applying the "good old values". They might be totally different with the new bios!

what frequency were you running at?
post #7588 of 17462
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Originally Posted by mRkukov View Post

C6H + 1700 and these new bioses are DANGEROUS!

With previous bioses +0.1v offset was 1.31v
With these new bioses +0.1v offset was over 1.4v!

So when I reapplied my previously valid +0.25 offset I got way over 1.5v! Almost 1.6v! Red in bios! CPU melting! mad.gif

After lowering the voltage back to safe levels I tried to save Pstate OC. Nope. Did not work. Tried slower settings. Nope. Did not work. I was not able to save any pstate OC with these bioses!

Before and after flashing: Clear cmos (over 10 seconds), load default and reboot. No help there.

Now I'm back to 1002 that works just fine. Memory max 2666 but at least it's working. Be safe and test low voltage before applying the "good old values". They might be totally different with the new bios!
The BIOS isn't dangerous. What's dangerous is assuming that previous values of a previous BIOS still apply. Don't blindly go setting old values on a new BIOS that's undergone a drastic update.

To further expand on this, my "old" voltage for 4GHz was 1.4V with LLC 5. I'm now running stable at 4GHz with 25mV less than before.
post #7589 of 17462
For anyone curious what it looks like when the CPU temp is close to or rather over emergency shutdown (SIO CPU 110C):



Ttcl is *real* temp here, no offset applies anymore over 95C.
post #7590 of 17462
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Originally Posted by ProTekkFZS View Post

The BIOS isn't dangerous. What's dangerous is assuming that previous values of a previous BIOS still apply. Don't blindly go setting old values on a new BIOS that's undergone a drastic update.

and this. First thing you should have done before applying any offset when you set your target CPU speed is save and restart, go back into bios, and see what voltage is at.
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