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P.S. Do you think upgrading to an 1800x would solve this problem or get me 4ghz stable? I still have time to return this chip, it just seems that putting 1.43v into it to get 3.85Ghz is really a bad idea for 24/7/365.

Well it is likely, according to Silicon Lottery "As of 3/13/17, the top 73% of 1800Xs were able to hit 4.0GHz or greater."

And they sell the 4 ghz binned CPU's for $499.

https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/1800x40g
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Originally Posted by madweazl View Post

If that is the case, the vcore is too low.

nah vcore increase isnt the only option if youre still at llc1.

i think someone went into this a while ago, but if you need say 1.426 under load to escape 8crash and you know you have a vdrop of 0.05 ish then its either raise your voltage to 1.475 or higher or utiluze LLC. for my 4150 mhz profile, its either llc3 or 1.5v setting, and same for my 4200mhz tho no choice but to exceed 1.5v....
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nah vcore increase isnt the only option if youre still at llc1.

i think someone went into this a while ago, but if you need say 1.426 under load to escape 8crash and you know you have a vdrop of 0.05 ish then its either raise your voltage to 1.475 or higher or utiluze LLC. for my 4150 mhz profile, its either llc3 or 1.5v setting, and same for my 4200mhz tho no choice but to exceed 1.5v....

I'm not following what you're trying to explain there. The purpose of LLC is to compensate for vdroop.
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i was going to wait for 1102 but went ahead and flashed to 0081. i noticed 0081, unlike 1002, auto detects the correct frequency and timings of the default jedec standard on gskills flare x 16gb 3200mhz kit, as 2400 16-16-16-16-39, but still auto dram voltage to 1.35v's instead of 1.2v's. at least it auto detects timings and frequency correctly now. haven't tried 3200mhz yet. i know it worked on 1002, and of course my gaming 5, but just don't feel like messing around with soc voltage because on 1002 at least, soc voltage wasn't "stable." hwinfo showed a lot of fluctuations. it defaults to 1.15v's for 3200 and hwinfo showed fluctuations, even at idle to 1.19v's. at 2400 my soc voltage auto's to 1.0v's and it stays within 1.0v's, even with 0081. oh, and i also had the double boot issue at 3200. it still booted successfully, but if i left my computer off, even plugged in, for a few hours, it would reboot twice before posting on the second reboot. strangely this never happened at 3200 on my gaming 5.

in terms of the new microcode improvements, i did notice a 6ns reduction in latency that amd noted in aida64 with my ram at 2400. ~87ns now instead of ~93ns. i might try 3200 later to see how much lower the latency dropped at 3200. last time i tried it was, iirc, ~67ns at 3200.

i know a lot of people are really pushing for overclocks, but i just want to run my 1800x on auto with xfr and my ram at its rated speed... safely and stable lol. i like the crosshair for more than just its overclocking capabilities.
Edited by muffins - 4/10/17 at 2:05pm
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I'm not following what you're trying to explain there. The purpose of LLC is to compensate for vdroop.

yes, but with purpose. you dont set for the compensation if you dont need the compensation. its as optional as simply raising your vcore when more under-load voltage is required.
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yes, but with purpose. you dont set for the compensation if you dont need the compensation. its as optional as simply raising your vcore when more under-load voltage is required.

Oh, I certainly agree but that begs the question, do you really need that much vcore if no LLC is needed? And to that point, LLC 5 is the only one capable of maintaining the vcore set in BIOS on my board (as read via SVI2 in HWiNFO).
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post #8287 of 17471
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Impossible for me to say exactly where it would sit but it was a best guess. My point is it wouldnt need to be set to 1.45 24/7; not that I'm concerned with the power usage differences but less voltage is always a good thing if it isnt needed.


So I am getting:

3.9Ghz: 1.45625v / LLC4 (1.46v real)
3.85Ghz: 1.35v / LLC3 (1.33-1.35v real)

Can this be true?

This lowers my load temps from 72ºC to 58ºC (h115i AM3 / Silent Fan / Silent Pump)
Edited by Frikencio - 4/10/17 at 2:18pm
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Oh, I certainly agree but that begs the question, do you really need that much vcore if no LLC is needed? And to that point, LLC 5 is the only one capable of maintaining the vcore set in BIOS on my board (as read via SVI2 in HWiNFO).

another question is do you want to potentially exceed the voltage level considered good for day to day or can you get away with setting better load compensation. i could certainly do my 4.2ghz under load for a duration without exceeding 1.5v if i were willing to go to llc5.... but im not tongue.gif. my 4150mhz situation is not as extreme. either set 1.5v, or i can sit at 1.47ish and llc3 to produce the same results with less all-the-time voltage. it becomes more of an issue the closer you get the your speed wall.
Edited by Reikoji - 4/10/17 at 3:06pm
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Well it is likely, according to Silicon Lottery "As of 3/13/17, the top 73% of 1800Xs were able to hit 4.0GHz or greater."

And they sell the 4 ghz binned CPU's for $499.

https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/1800x40g

There's a 4.0Ghz 1700 available for $120 less. Just saying.
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There's a 4.0Ghz 1700 available for $120 less. Just saying.

Oh absolutely...

I was mainly pointing the the commonality of potential clock speeds. A 4.0 1700 is far more rare than a 4.0 1800x
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