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I told you the first time, you quoted the wrong guy.

And no, I am not mad. But I should be out of here. Giga just posted a new BIOS that I need to test.
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Originally Posted by orlfman View Post

yeah i noticed the same with high performance as well but i just went with it after i modified my high performance plan by setting minimum processor state to 5% like balance. but the frequent peaks into the 1.5v's was unsettling since it was super common with even the slightest of load. there didn't seem to be any "grace" to it. i do remember elmor talking about some changes they did to make xfr be more aggressive and last longer so i do wonder if any modifications asus has done with the xfr boosting plays a role as well in this aggressive voltage when on auto with xfr... without a doubt 1.4v's average and frequent 1.5(x)v peaks in hwmonitor really spooked me lol.

Yea it was unsettling to say the least, but im glad i wasn't alone when i noticed how high the voltages were at stock. I didn't bother looking too much at the frequency among the cores when the the voltage would spike to obscene levels. But yea it was too aggressive for my liking, I am definitely okay with the performance i am getting now with a moderate voltage. I'm still on high performance and havent fiddled with the processor minimum state as i thought that would override the SENSE MI hardware measures AMD implemented affecting performance. So I thought it'd defeat the purpose, but the frequency is static but i notice the voltage dropping a bit in low load situations. But idk, I can see this being further tweaked in the future. But I definitely agree that it was unsettling seeing the voltage spike that high.
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got 4x64gb ram rated @ 3200 14-14-14-34 to post and boot into windows with @ 3500 with 1.41v, 20-22-22-22-40 to start with 3200 strap and 109.4 bclk.

but.... windows and various programs didnt take kindly to it. instant bsod. tried higher timings each time but no luck.

Keep pounding on that four stick overclocking, I am going to be trying four soon, but only 32 GB.
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Visited MicroCenter and picked up a new 1700 CPU, C6H board, ASUS GTX 1080 A8G Strix GPU, and Hyper 212X cooler with AM4 adapter. Going all air to make the testing of this version easier, plus I wanted to take the EK backplate and rubber gasket out of the equation.

Also wanted to see if a different 1700 would overclock better. Maybe China makes a better CPU than Malaysia...

The winning hardware will become a permanent part of my rig, while second place will either be sold or returned.
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Originally Posted by MNMadman View Post

Visited MicroCenter and picked up a new 1700 CPU, C6H board, ASUS GTX 1080 A8G Strix GPU, and Hyper 212X cooler with AM4 adapter. Going all air to make the testing of this version easier, plus I wanted to take the EK backplate and rubber gasket out of the equation.

Also wanted to see if a different 1700 would overclock better. Maybe China makes a better CPU than Malaysia...

The winning hardware will become a permanent part of my rig, while second place will either be sold or returned.

Mines Malay and its awesome. I thik its luck of the draw, china/malay makes no difference.
    
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Visited MicroCenter and picked up a new 1700 CPU, C6H board, ASUS GTX 1080 A8G Strix GPU, and Hyper 212X cooler with AM4 adapter. Going all air to make the testing of this version easier, plus I wanted to take the EK backplate and rubber gasket out of the equation.

The winning hardware will become a permanent part of my rig, while second place will either be sold or returned.

tongue.gif and I was posting about myself losing control for ordering a second set of memory. Course I won't be selling mine, so I guess you will will be better off than me.
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Originally Posted by orlfman View Post

yeah i noticed the same with high performance as well but i just went with it after i modified my high performance plan by setting minimum processor state to 5% like balance. but the frequent peaks into the 1.5v's was unsettling since it was super common with even the slightest of load. there didn't seem to be any "grace" to it. i do remember elmor talking about some changes they did to make xfr be more aggressive and last longer so i do wonder if any modifications asus has done with the xfr boosting plays a role as well in this aggressive voltage when on auto with xfr... without a doubt 1.4v's average and frequent 1.5(x)v peaks in hwmonitor really spooked me lol.

I almost believe these voltage when XFR is enabled is determined by the cpu. My first 1700x would spike up to 1.5v (all bios versions tried including 81). Second 1700x stays at 1.35v and peaks out at 1.37 and that is it! Nothing else changed on the motherboard except cpu. Looks like it is hardwired into the cpu.

First cpu with the high default volts sucked at OCing, second one does 4ghz with ease.
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Been working away like a busy beaver trying to find the optimal overclock for my goals. I think I am getting close, as far as regular (i.e. no BCLK or P-state use) methods. Wanted to establish the practical threshold for my 1700 CPU, at voltage and temperature levels I think are acceptable.

Currently that turns out to be the CPU at 4GHz and DRAM at 3200MHz, with 14-14-14-34 timings. It survives enough Realbench stress runs to satisfy me on stability, and did not exceed 77.3 C and averaged 69.8 C, while in general use I see it hanging around 33-40 C. Here are the relevant settings:

CPU Multiplier: 40
CPU Core Voltage: Manual 1.42
CPU SOC Voltage: Manual 1.0
CPU LLC: Level 3
VODSOC LLC: Level 3
CPU Thermal Control: 120

DRAM Voltage: 1.36
DRAM VBoot Voltage: 1.36
DRAM Current Control: 100%
DRAM Frequency: 3200MHz
DRAM Timing: Manual 14-14-14-14-34





Oh, forgot to say I am using the 0082 UEFI version.
Edited by CeltPC - 4/10/17 at 9:52pm
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Do released versions 0902, 1002 and test versions 0079, 0081, 0083 have menus on core pstates and memory interleaving?

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Originally Posted by Gadfly View Post

elmor,

How do I uninstall AI Suite? I just get an error telling me that reboot is required, even immediately after a reboot.

Good question, I have no answers. Not tied into the software team.

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Originally Posted by SpecChum View Post

@elmor

Appreciate it's low priority, but any updates on the new Aura app that will address the lights going completely out on some boards?

My RMA was accepted, in fact my other C6H is here now, but I don't want to swap it over if I don't have to.

How confident are we it's not a hardware issue that would require an RMA anyway?

All I did is update to 1002 and the lights haven't worked since...

We have no leads on this, also this RGB and fan control stuff is really outside my scope. Nothing makes it come back? Clear CMOS? Pull the battery for 30s? Reinstall Aura application? Running calibration etc?

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Originally Posted by Mrimstad View Post

@elmor

I see more People mention fan header issues. And the more i think about it, the more i belive my problem with the aio header to be a aisuit issue rather than bios. I have had No misshapps after removing the software. If it is software related, maybe shoot them guys a heads upp?

Also, educated guess. Do you think we Will ever see support for 3000+MHz dual rank 32GB kits? Guess im blessed with hynix atm..

All I can do is tell them stuff isn't working. Hopefully the May update can get your sticks to 3200 (as long as the sticks are rated for it).

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Originally Posted by Dethon View Post

Hi @elmor
I have just tried the c6h_p0vidfix program and it does not fully work for me. Whenever I execute it, clock goes up to 4GHz (my P0 config), but that's only until an idle period makes it drop to another Pstate. After that it doesn't raise to P0 unless I execute the program again, with the same results.

Something I am doing wrong or have misunderstood?

Seems like a different issue. Which settings exactly? OS?

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Originally Posted by y0bailey View Post

What is the "safe" range for ProcODT settings? There isn't any real documentation on it, so I'm hesitant to tweak it without understanding. I've read people putting it in the 80's, but I don't know if that is safe and what that is actually doing?

Any value is safe. ODT = On-die Termination. If you check a few pages back there are a couple of posts detailing what it does.

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Originally Posted by icebalm View Post

Yes, from CMOS defaults go into Boot -> CSM. Change ANY of the settings, for example I disable the CSM entirely because I want UEFI only. Then save and reset.
Go back into BIOS and go to Advanced, then go into any of the options, for example go into CPU Options and change SVM Mode, you'll notice it changes for all options on that screen, and more, it changes for all options on all screens in Advanced!

Doesn't do that here, try reflashing the BIOS.

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Originally Posted by Zamoldac View Post

Suddenly my board doesn't shutdown properly, it restarts instead. I think i saw this issue here before, can't remember what was the fix mad.gif . This is after 2+ weeks of ok operation.
I'm on bios 1002.

Pull the CMOS battery for 30 seconds without standby power.

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Originally Posted by 1TM1 View Post

0604 reportedly with AGESA update is out for Prime X370-Pro on Asus server (change link manually from 0515 to 0604).

Any ETA for the C6H "unattainable" in Raja's words release (not a test version)? And will 1102 have the microcode or wait till 0079 gets tested?

My best guess would be it goes up on the website this week. Probably we'll be limited to test BIOSes here in the future (internal politics).

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Originally Posted by jugs View Post

Hey @elmor, can you please clarify this a bit? What does the DRAM ratio have to do with subtimings? Does each ratio set it's own subtimings? What are they?

They're set according to whatever AMD deems appropriate. We will get more control in the May update. For example at the moment:

1866 = tWCL 9
2133 = tWCL 10
2400 = tWCL 11

etc

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Originally Posted by LuckyImperial View Post

The amount of RAM mis-information is starting to get a little disheartening.

Nobody has provided the consumers a half decent answer as to why RAM speeds are getting hamstringed so much. The most we have gotten is "AGESA code isn't great." That's it.

What mis-information? The May update will bring lots of additional DRAM options.

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Originally Posted by TwoBeers View Post

Hi elmor, want to give you and the guys here my findings.
Some of them I wrote before, but this thread is growing so fast. wink.gif

My System right now:
- Ryzen 7 1700 @3.8GHz@1.28V(0.12V offset) + Wraith Spire LED (idle on 1.5GHz@0.567V)
- 16GB F4-3200C14D-16GVK 3200@2933 CL14

First, RAM, I have F4-3200C14D-16GVK, which are QVL@3200, but for me they only work at 2933.

I tried 081 and 083 with these settings:
- DOCP 3200 / CL16 / ODT auto / DRAM boot V 1.45V / DRAM V 1.45 -> booted but had 1.48V (that's too high for me)
- ODT 80 or 96 didn't matter, only 1.45V (1.48V) were important
- everything under 1.45V went into safeboot (2133)
- why is my QVL RAM not working?

So, that's the only ASUS issue I have right now.

Just for giggles, some AGESA issue:
- changing p2 FID below 70 (1.4GHz) goes to a QCode "0C", after this no "Clear CMOS" nor "power cycle" works, only reflash via USB flashback! (annoying)
- at BIOS 1001 (with AGESA 1.00x) I could go as low as 1.2GHz

Next, OC findings:
- my max RAM speed is at 3175 with a BCLK of 108.2MHz (with CL14 and 1.35V DRAM V)
- idle powerdraw rises by 10W on this (no Voltage was changed, p0 FID decreased to 8C (3.79GHz))
- why?

Before I forget it, thanks a lot for your support here. I learned so much and I'm still excited about this new platform, keep us posted. Kop khun krap thumb.gif

SOC Voltage? The CPU IMC still plays a part.

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Originally Posted by 1TM1 View Post

Do released versions 0902, 1002 and test versions 0079, 0081, 0083 have menus on core pstates and memory interleaving?


Yes, all.
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