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Originally Posted by Reikoji View Post

no, i only see this post for hrs. weird.

I clarified that the 2-4 watts difference is from 5% minimum processor and the 90% minimum processor in Ryzen balanced. In other words, if I use balanced profile at 5% instead of Ryzen Balanced, it only works out to be a difference of 2-4 watts at idle. The 2-4 watts is not in reference to the difference between 100% to 90% but from 90% to 5%.

Also, I would find it very odd that AMD released the power plan, and then decided to talk about the P-States knowing that none of the P-States matter if people are using their own power plan. That and how do you explain such a small difference between using 5% minimum processor and 90% with Ryzen balanced if P-States are not working? the 2-4 watts difference between 5% and 90% might be from disabling core parking.
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The over-voltage effect doesn't require 100% load to manifest. That means, you still need to be aware that you're applying +50mv more than what you've set in UEFI. Nothing more.

This is what ringing looks like:


To this point, at what load does the LLC get applied?
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I've been through 70 pages and seen nothing on the matter.
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Unless you absolutely have to, like others have been saying, just don't use LLC at all. Raise Vcore to get to the level you need.

Well, there really isnt an option not to use LLC, the lowest LLC level is 1 and you can consider that no llc, even tho its still there.

And since there is still some level of overshoot measureable with advanced equipment, one would have to wonder if the overshoot of 1.5v LLC1 after load would be greater/equalto/less than the overshoot of 1.45v LLC3
post #8735 of 17435
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Originally Posted by TwoBeers View Post

This is called safebboot. Happens when RAM or CPU OC is failing.

Probably your RAM s not working with 3200. Try 2933.

Thanks for explaining. I will up my RAM voltage as it runs happily at 14 14 14 34 3200 with 1.38v. I had just been testing 1.35 with the new Bioses.
post #8736 of 17435
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I've been through 70 pages and seen nothing on the matter.

It is failing the training process; likely due to settings not quite right to get it to consistently pass (DRAM voltage, DRAM vboot, SOC, etc.).
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Well, there really isnt an option not to use LLC, the lowest LLC level is 1 and you can consider that no llc, even tho its still there.

And since there is still some level of overshoot measureable with advanced equipment, one would have to wonder if the overshoot of 1.5v LLC1 after load would be greater/equalto/less than the overshoot of 1.45v LLC3

Its strange but Auto appears to be no LLC. Auto is even less than LLC Level 1. Set it to Auto. I believe Elmor confirmed this as well.
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post #8738 of 17435
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Its strange but Auto appears to be no LLC. Auto is even less than LLC Level 1. Set it to Auto. I believe Elmor confirmed this as well.

Correct, auto llc is 0%.
    
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From my observations this platform seems to like a bit of variation in voltage just because of the way it's made the variation in voltage helps balance the cores.

This sounds as if you're confusing overshoot with power saving related VID changes. These are two different topics.

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From my experience if you set a hard voltage of 1.35v to cover the peaks, the CPU is actually overvolting most of the time and will run hotter. If the CPU can run 70 % of the time at 1.31 volts and needs the occasional 1.35v why force it to take that voltage 100% of the time even though it's not necessary?

With LLC properly set to supply a voltage that sags to 1.35V under load, you're not asking the VRM to ramp VID when it is faced with the load transient. You are also guaranteed the voltage is at the required level when the current demands increase. From an ideal point of view, the issue with ramping the voltage to the required value for stability is that it has to meet the slew rate demands of the load. In other words, it is considered more intelligent to work with the constraints of the circuit (by using the droop mechanism) than against it. On top of that, very little current flows when the CPU is in idle state.
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Hmm, came back from work to a non starting computer again. Multiple flashbacks of flashing back flashbacks multiple times......
Oh joy.
But this time I have no recently installed Aura to blame so perhaps Aura is OK afterall?
Man this platform leaves me feeling nervous.
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