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Originally Posted by madweazl View Post

Yes, your fault. You purchased it knowing full well it was release day. Try to recall a single item that worked well at release.

Rethoric question...
Would you purchase a car, if you know that, the brakes are not braking 40% of the time...
Or the engine don´t go past the 3th gear even if you where promissed 6 gears?

How is my fault or your fault, that a product is having problems?

Best Regards,

LPC
post #8862 of 17476
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Originally Posted by bluej511 View Post

Actually I'm going to get a lot of hate for it and say its not really AMDs fault, probably 10%. The issue? Every single manufacturer was busy making z270 boards instead of am4 and even optimizing for it. Why? There's more money to be had in a tested and proved product then one that wasn't. And it makes total business sense, yea the RAM is an issue but guess what? A lot of people using Samsung B-die have had zero problems right off the bat getting 3200mhz.

You can blame AMD all you want, but AMD can't force mobo manufacturers to make more boards.

Hello,
Well i understand your view... but then again... who takes the fall with all this mess?

To me is AMD and their cpu´s... Not the Mobo manufacturers... they will ofc just say... they where not given enough time to optimize their product...
So in the end is really AMD fault...

Not everyone have 3200mhz, and not everyone have Samsung memories... What about the rest? Hynix and others? they are left to die in the corner?
1 Month could have made a night and day diference here... But lazyness from both parts... and the costumer is the collateral damage... as usual..

Best Regards,

LPC
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Originally Posted by LPCobris View Post

Hello,
Why the bickering?

When i purchase a top product, i expect a well build, tested and function ready product...
Its a premium product after all right?

I did not get any money from Asus to do their Beta testing...
I see ppl here allmost kissing asus feets for their half backed bios, lots of bugs everywhere and some shady situations like the new revision of the CH6...

Ppl must start to ask a little more, if they pay for a working PREMIUM product...

Best Regards,

LPC
Man, you do realize how new this whole technology is, right? You also do know, that because of this you are an "EARLY ADOPTER". Before you were looking for a board, you clearly did not read anything about Ryzen or current situation of how it will be, right? I knew that there will be instabilities and other issues, which will iron out in the long run. That's why most people buy these products when they are completely tested and have all the stability.

And yes, of course everyone want's a reliable and stable product, but this will be at some point. Right now it needs fixes and updates to get there. If you hate doing these thing then why the hell did u even bothered buying this now or at all? You also could have waited like few months and then buy these. And also thank all the gamers / enthusiasts that did buy these products on Day 1 to help fixing the system.

PS. It's not really "anyones fault". AMD decided to release Ryzen because they seemed that to them it was a working CPU. However AMD had a customized mobo at that time. Now the retail products take extra time for the needed fixes and what not. Why it doesn't work as well as it did during AMD presentation, that no one knows.

Cheers.
Edited by OnSync - 4/12/17 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by LPCobris View Post

Rethoric question...
Would you purchase a car, if you know that, the brakes are not braking 40% of the time...
Or the engine don´t go past the 3th gear even if you where promissed 6 gears?

How is my fault or your fault, that a product is having problems?

Best Regards,

LPC

I purchased a 2015 Mustang; first year for a ground up redesign and yep, it has issues that were resolved in the 2016 models. The Z170 in my signature was a train wreck in regard to memory at release but I can run it at ridiculous speeds and timings now. Products have to mature in the hands of users as they will never be stressed like they are in our hands. Your setup runs exactly as AMD stated it would run however, you're displeased that it doesnt run at settings you want it to operate at. If you failed to do the research prior to purchase, the blame is solely on you. The vast majority of members here are enthusiasts who purchase products of this caliber to squeeze every last bit of performance out of their system possible. If what you wanted was a plug and play system with minimal flexibility, a B350 should have been your target.
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Hello,
Im aware all the other brands are having issues right now... The fault? AMD... Releasing a not so ready to go product to the market...
But...

Where there partners braind dead? Asus knew that the boards where not refined, and still they release the product... Why not just convince AMD to postpone for a month the release, to give time to the refinements to happen...

We have payed top bucks for these kind of products... they should work well at day 1...

Best Regards,

LPC

This is what it is like being a first adopter.

I too have been building comouters for 20 years, and this is what happens on new platforms.

Heh... Pentiums, you rememver that whole mess? The entire p90 processor was defective.

How about the 686? Remember the ide controller issues?

Pentium 2 slot a's, you remember the issues with the Motherboards and the external l3 cache?

How about the ddr2 issues with the k5 and p4 motherboards?

My point is.... This is the norm. New product, all new platform, all new chipset.... we are going to have issues.

That said, I agree it was rushed, so does Asus, but we have daily interaction with elmor, regular bios updates, support, and I consider that worth the premium.
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Man, no offence - but are you high / or just incredibly stupid? You do realize how new this whole technology is, right? You also do know, that because of this you are an "EARLY ADOPTER". Before you were looking for a board, you clearly did not read anything about Ryzen or current situation of how it will be, right? I knew that there will be instabilities and other issues, which will iron out in the long run. That's why most people buy these products when they are completely tested and have all the stability.

And yes, of course everyone want's a reliable and stable product, but this will be at some point. Right now it needs fixes and updates to get there. If you hate doing these thing then why the hell did u even bothered buying this now or at all? You also could have waited like few months and then buy these. And also thank all the gamers / enthusiasts that did buy these products on Day 1 to help fixing the system.

Cheers.

So...
Lets see a product is officially launched... Suposelly tested... Boards are also released... Also tested and fully compliant...
And then ... **** hit the fan... lots of problems...

What happend?... Sorry but your explanation don´t stick... "early adopter?"... Lets see if that is written on the box of the board...
Welll nothing its there... why? Because these are RETAIL PRODUCTS... Relased to market as finished products...

I have to thank nothing to the companys that fail to deliver... they knew it... and even so... they put to sell... We will fix it later... someday...
I have the right to be frustraded... like many of the rest here...

Why be cynical... and just behave like... helll this is like the world is... i cant change it...
The change start with us... lets start to ask more for our rights as consumers... did anyone got a ryzen for free? or even an CH6?...

Hell i don´t... have to work my ass off to have to money to invest in new tech... and new tech is not beta tech... tongue.gif

Best Regards,

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Hello,
Well i understand your view... but then again... who takes the fall with all this mess?

To me is AMD and their cpu´s... Not the Mobo manufacturers... they will ofc just say... they where not given enough time to optimize their product...
So in the end is really AMD fault...

Not everyone have 3200mhz, and not everyone have Samsung memories... What about the rest? Hynix and others? they are left to die in the corner?
1 Month could have made a night and day diference here... But lazyness from both parts... and the costumer is the collateral damage... as usual..

Best Regards,

LPC

Because its already been a month and its made no difference AT ALL.
    
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Rethoric question...
Would you purchase a car, if you know that, the brakes are not braking 40% of the time...
Or the engine don´t go past the 3th gear even if you where promissed 6 gears?

How is my fault or your fault, that a product is having problems?

Best Regards,

LPC

I am not sure this is the right analogy here. I preordered my 1800X and my C6H and outside having to replace BIOS 702 with 902 right after booting for the first time, it has been a near flawless experience (using b-die RAM). While I do not think you are wrong to be jaded with the whole situation, you have to accept that the situation is complex. It is a brand new CPU arch, on a relatively untested node (as far as powerful x86 CPUs go), using a practically new Socket that uses new chipsets. What you receive as a result are several teething issues from multiple sources, not just board vendors or AMD. All things considered , this multilaunch was not particularly bumpy after all. Lots of these issues can be avoided with a little research.
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Am I missing something? I can only get ram to 1540mhz per cpu z and hwinfo
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Am I missing something? I can only get ram to 1540mhz per cpu z and hwinfo

If you arent trolling, you're in good shape running at 3080 effectively (DDR).
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