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Others are having the same pauses. Mine only happens while fully stressing the CPU with stress tests -- never had it happen with CB or any other benchmark. They don't fail the tests either.

Some were thinking it might be a driver issue with the Samsung NVMe driver, but that isn't the case (for me at least).

Found it...

I uninstalled: Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1703 for x64-based Systems (KB4015583) and the stutter is gone.

I ran 10 cinebenches, not a single stutter at all, before the uninstall I had a stutter 100% of the time.
post #8942 of 17207
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Others are having the same pauses. Mine only happens while fully stressing the CPU with stress tests -- never had it happen with CB or any other benchmark. They don't fail the tests either.

Some were thinking it might be a driver issue with the Samsung NVMe driver, but that isn't the case (for me at least).
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i thisk this is related with ram timing i changed ram timing and soc
some values make it better (occasionally hardly not happen)
post #8943 of 17207
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I only notice pauses in IBT which I think is normal for it. But in Samsung Magician with their driver for 960 Evo Nvme, system compatibility
says VID 1022 some functions can't run, blah blah. Rapid mode may become inactive due to system internal errors on some of the AMD//////////AsMedia Controller or Driver. Does everyone get this message or is it because BCLK is 117 for me and going to gen 2?

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I have the same message and I'm not overclocking at all (at the moment).

Got a fix for that too... Uninstall all Samsung drivers and software; then install just this driver (right click the setup information file "secnvme" and select install):

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArKQYJeNt1HRh5MevsXrAAg_wgfLxA

Works for Windows 7,8,10
post #8944 of 17207
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Found it...

I uninstalled: Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1703 for x64-based Systems (KB4015583) and the stutter is gone.

I ran 10 cinebenches, not a single stutter at all, before the uninstall I had a stutter 100% of the time.
Lucky. Uninstalling those updates doesn't do anything for me. And I never had a problem with Cinebench before now... mad.gif

Typical Ryzen ... same solution never works for everybody.
Edited by MNMadman - 4/12/17 at 11:11pm
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Ok, another update on my issue with getting my G.Skill F4-3200C14D-16GTZR memory running at 3200MHz.

Bought that second kit of memory, same part number, and tried it with same ASUS C6H and Ryzen 1700. Would not boot at 3200MHz no matter what settings I tried. Works great at 2933MHz.

Bought another Ryzen 1700 and installed it. No other changes here. Now the system boots perfectly with memory at 3200MHz using my original F4-3200C14D-16GTZR kit. Have not had a single boot/training fault at 3200MHz yet. Been testing for the past few hours and gone through 20+ cold/warm boots.

One Ryzen 1700 could not run memory at 3200MHz.
Another Ryzen 1700 can run same memory at 3200MHz.

Some people are saying that the Ryzen IMC is not the root cause -- so if swapping the CPU is the only change then how do you explain one not working and another working ok?

The downside to all this is my second 1700 is not as good of an overclocker. First proc would do 3.9GHz at vcore 1.375v -- second proc is struggling to get 3.9GHz at vcore 1.425v (still doing stability testing).

I am kind of wondering now if I should just get a 1700X and hope that I can at least get 3.9GHz. Would not really mind spending the extra $80. I use water cooling so do not care about the included AMD heatsink/fan (although good to have as a backup if needed someday).
makes me wonder if may's update will allow those who can't hit 3200 with single rank samsung ram to be able to run them at 3200. either play the swapping game now or just hold off and wait. sucks for those with great overclockers but crappy ram compatibility and vice versa. what i find weird though is how my flare x kit had zero issues with 3200 on my gigabyte gaming 5 but i have cold boot issues with it on the crosshair at 3200 with 0081 and 1002. before i sent back my gaming 5 i tried everything again, and like prior, no issues. part of me felt like i should have just kept the gaming 5 but i like everything about the crosshair... like the audio. sigh.

so another element could just be the motherboard as well. possibly your first 1700 might have been able to work at 3200 on a different manufacturer board :/ there's so many unknowns. so many say ryzens imc is actually powerful yet we see so many people right now, with the best possible ram for ryzen, samsung single rank 2x8gb, same kits, like the flare x, and some struggle while others set it and forget it. i see elmor and others run flare x 3200 just fine on this board but then i see myself and my kit with this board... and knowing how it worked fine on the gaming 5 rolleyes.gif
Edited by muffins - 4/12/17 at 11:26pm
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Found it...

I uninstalled: Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1703 for x64-based Systems (KB4015583) and the stutter is gone.

I ran 10 cinebenches, not a single stutter at all, before the uninstall I had a stutter 100% of the time.
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Originally Posted by Gadfly View Post

Found it...

I uninstalled: Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1703 for x64-based Systems (KB4015583) and the stutter is gone.

I ran 10 cinebenches, not a single stutter at all, before the uninstall I had a stutter 100% of the time.

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Lucky. Uninstalling those updates doesn't do anything for me. And I never had a problem with Cinebench before now... mad.gif

Typical Ryzen ... same solution never works for everybody.

Let me know if the NVMe driver I works.

My speeds jumped a few hundred MBps with that driver.
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Got a fix for that too... Uninstall all Samsung drivers and software; then install just this driver (right click the setup information file "secnvme" and select install):

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArKQYJeNt1HRh5MevsXrAAg_wgfLxA

Works for Windows 7,8,10

I already had that, but tried updateing driver again. Says the right samsung nvme controller, but still magician error. Guess it doesnt matter as the 960 benchmarks where it should but the damn thing seems slower than my 850 pro, windows takes a long time to boot.
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Lucky. Uninstalling those updates doesn't do anything for me. And I never had a problem with Cinebench before now... mad.gif

Typical Ryzen ... same solution never works for everybody.
I derped it. I still don't have problems with Cinebench ... when I give the computer enough time to finish loading after boot.

ASUS GPU Tweak II takes longer to boot up than EVGA Precision X OC did. When that started loading, it caused pauses in the Cinebench run. I just have to wait a bit longer to start benchmarking now.

Edit: As far as the Samsung driver goes ... I just left v2.2 installed. That error doesn't affect benches on the drive. Magician gave me ~3450/2130 for scores.
Edited by MNMadman - 4/12/17 at 11:35pm
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makes me wonder if may's update will allow those who can't hit 3200 with single rank samsung ram to be able to run them at 3200. either play the swapping game now or just hold off and wait. sucks for those with great overclockers but crappy ram compatibility and vice versa. what i find weird though is how my flare x kit had zero issues with 3200 on my gigabyte gaming 5 but i have cold boot issues with it on the crosshair at 3200 with 0081 and 1002. before i sent back my gaming 5 i tried everything again, and like prior, no issues. part of me felt like i should have just kept the gaming 5 but i like everything about the crosshair... like the audio. sigh.

so another element could just be the motherboard as well. possibly your first 1700 might have been able to work at 3200 on a different manufacturer board :/ there's so many unknowns. so many say ryzens imc is actually powerful yet we see so many people right now, with the best possible ram for ryzen, samsung single rank 2x8gb, same kits, like the flare x, and some struggle while others set it and forget it. i see elmor and others run flare x 3200 just fine on this board but then i see myself and my kit with this board... and knowing how it worked fine on the gaming 5 rolleyes.gif

The way I see it right now I have three options. Would love to get other people's opinions on these.

Hopefully @elmor or someone from AMD/ASUS can comment on the possible issue with Ryzen's IMC not being able to run memory at 3200MHz. Basically just want to hear if it is a known issue and something that can/will be fixed with a UEFI/microcode update. If it is a hardware issue and cannot be fixed then would at least like to know that.

Option 1: Hang on to first Ryzen 1700 that runs 3.9GHz with vcore 1.375v but can only run memory up to 2933MHz. The thought here is that I am hoping AMD/ASUS will release a memory update specifically for this type of problem with what appears to be the actual Ryzen processor.

Option 2: Hang on to the second Ryzen 1700 that runs 3.9GHz with vcore 1.425v+ and LLC1 (still stability testing) and can run memory at 3200MHz. This proc does get quite a bit warmer and not sure how safe running that high voltage is long-term.

Option 3: Order a Ryzen 1700X and hope that I get a good overclocker and one that runs memory at 3200MHz. Risk here is that if it does neither of these things then I am just wasting more time and money having to return yet another processor.

What do you all think?
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