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Received another one of these with my Trident Z at stock 2133Mhz, but instead of auto volts, I tried 1.25

SoC 1.125
Memory 1.25

A corrected hardware error has occurred.

Reported by component: Processor Core
Error Source: Corrected Machine Check
Error Type: Cache Hierarchy Error
Processor APIC ID: 1

Event ID 19

Is there anything else I should be trying? The memory is the 14c version.

Bios is version 0902

I had one error code 8 yesterday on the mobo while the system was idle, but otherwise the system seems fine.
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Notice that the CPU socket behaves as expected with an exponential decay, while the other plots have a linear decay, not typical of REAL materials.
I lack knowledge of how temperature decay curves of material are meant to look. But especially the idle spikes' decay are clearly an algorithm meant to maintain gradual decay instead of jumping right back down.
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So one is forced to conclude that some function is deliberately messing with the data, perhaps to keep the fan speed up longer as suggested.
This also depends on the BIOS implementation of SIO CPU (temp source for fans), as Asus demonstrates with their Tctl + 5 C vs. Socket + 30 C = whatever is lower decision.
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Originally Posted by madweazl View Post

I'm on air so there is likely a large delta between what your cooler is doing compared to mine.

Edit: and I have no idea which IBT I'm running LOL.
What is your Socket temperature then?
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Any advice, maybe I just got a bad 1800X. I mean the thing turns off/black screen needing a reboot just trying to run Intel Burn Test AT STOCK.
So I just flash from 1002 to 81 to see if that helps and it doesn't. Should this cpu not die in IBT stock or does it need bios settings or extra volts
to pass this test? Hwinfo is showing volts from .825 to 1.52v (that is usually why I don't run stock, I just set 1.4v and 4X100 and it should work)
Temps are anywhere between 47C and 70C. Funny thing is EVERY other benchmark and stress test works. Passes Realbench, Prime95, and
even OCCT with AVX Capable Linpack. So I am starting to think Intel Burn Test (which is AVX Linpack) has the problem, and not the cpu. Maybe
there is just some incompatibility with Ryzen and IBT. Maybe we shouldn't be judging stability on this one wonky test. But it is odd that my 1700
passes IBT. Thoughts?
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Tried that, didnt make a difference. Also tried the USB log viewer, nothing shows in it when the sound plays. Im officially stumped. Maybe elmor can shed some light on it?
ok I've discovered that its not my overclock causing this issue as its doing it when I revert back to defaults. It looks like it's started doing it ever since I installed the Windows 10 Creators update....
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Originally Posted by Timur Born View Post

That delta is for SIO CPU ("CPU" = Tctl + 5 C) and changes to "CPU" = "CPU (Socket)" + 30 C when Tctl increase a lot very quickly. Whichever of the two calculations is lower is the one used for (SIO) "CPU". But the problem he has is with "CPU (Socket)" seemingly mirroring "Tctl + 5C" instead of providing its own readings.

Try to reset HWInfo settings completely, maybe you are using an old ini file from before HWinfo changed the behavior of CPU (Socket) readings and thus gets confused.

I tried. Also tried the beta version of HWInfo.
Same results.
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I can follow that argument, but still doubt that this would lead to quite exact jumps of +10 C steps, regardless of what temperature the jump was based on (starting at 20 C looks the same as starting at 60 C) and how the cooling is set (100% cooling looks the same as 0%).

And why would there be no jumps for idle load using the Power Safer profile versus all the other profiles? It's still the same load happening at the same places inside the silicon.

With your new plots I conclude that not only are various temperature increments being added in particular temperature bands, but the past history (and maybe predicted by derivative future history) are factors in temperature manipulation. This implies that there is no simple way of getting back to the actual temperature without accounting for how the algorithm is predicting its next adjustment. Tuning up a fan control with such a scheme should be even more entertaining than getting DRAM to OC.

Power saver (safer?) may inhibit some activities that Win normally (if that is the right word) does in the background.
     
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If it's any consolation I had those USB unplug/plug-in sound happening for the last few weeks/months using my Z87 + 4970K. Every now and then it would do that and I could not tell why.
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With your new plots I conclude that not only are various temperature increments being added in particular temperature bands, but the past history (and maybe predicted by derivative future history) are factors in temperature manipulation. This implies that there is no simple way of getting back to the actual temperature without accounting for how the algorithm is predicting its next adjustment. Tuning up a fan control with such a scheme should be even more entertaining than getting DRAM to OC.

Power saver (safer?) may inhibit some activities that Win normally (if that is the right word) does in the background.
Yes, Safer, sorry for the ongoing typo. biggrin.gif

I do know that these extra offset are decreased toward 0 at Tctl = 95 C (Sense Skew off). My current interpretation is that these are a mixture of both my suggestions. So when my last graph read 58 C Tdie (78 C Tctl) then the last +10 C offset is still applied on top of supposedly real 48 C (=5 C over Socket).

Let's check this by unplugging the fans and only leaving the pumps running... brb...

PS: Radiator fan outlet was around 25 C when while ITB was running.
Edited by Timur Born - 4/14/17 at 5:52pm
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Originally Posted by Timur Born View Post

What is your Socket temperature then?

This was the image from the run with everything disabled:


This is at 3.9x with everything still disabled (which spit out a WHEA around run seven)



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Originally Posted by hotstocks View Post

Any advice, maybe I just got a bad 1800X. I mean the thing turns off/black screen needing a reboot just trying to run Intel Burn Test AT STOCK.
So I just flash from 1002 to 81 to see if that helps and it doesn't. Should this cpu not die in IBT stock or does it need bios settings or extra volts
to pass this test? Hwinfo is showing volts from .825 to 1.52v (that is usually why I don't run stock, I just set 1.4v and 4X100 and it should work)
Temps are anywhere between 47C and 70C. Funny thing is EVERY other benchmark and stress test works. Passes Realbench, Prime95, and
even OCCT with AVX Capable Linpack. So I am starting to think Intel Burn Test (which is AVX Linpack) has the problem, and not the cpu. Maybe
there is just some incompatibility with Ryzen and IBT. Maybe we shouldn't be judging stability on this one wonky test. But it is odd that my 1700
passes IBT. Thoughts?

It is absolutely possible to be stable under IBT at maximum settings. Thinking you jump to 4ghz and do it just isnt going to happen without some work.
Edited by madweazl - 4/14/17 at 5:53pm
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XSPC RX240 (White) EK Vardar F2s (x5) EK-FC1070 GTX1070 (nickel/plexi)  EK GTX1070 FE backplate 
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EK Double Bay PWM D5 MX Bitspower 250 Z-Multi Res EK HDC fittings (12mm) Windows 10 
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