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post #9961 of 17830
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Originally Posted by majestynl View Post

Can't you make a custom curve in fan profile?

You can in Cosair Link, but it still is really annoying as the fans change speed all the time and whine because of it. So if you do a custom fan profile you still get only silent if idle and then the higher the work load the louder they get. Since these chips are running say 40C-65C real temps all the time or 50C-75C fake temps, the fans are silent to say 1100 rpm and max out jet loud at 2400 rpm, but even at 1500 rpm they get loud or annoying changing all the time as well. Corsair should have put quieter fans on, but also Asus should be reporting the correct temperatures so this doesn't happen.
post #9962 of 17830
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Originally Posted by Benus74 View Post

Yeah me too, I'd hate to see my little chipset pretending is a chef when it doesn't even know how to cook eggs wink.gif
But yeah, I'm now downloading Afterburner and I'll enable a low fan spinning.

btw - what is MSI thinking when they distribute Afterburner?
I've downloaded it and it comes a zip archive, which itself contains..? a .rar archive, which itself contains ..? an installer bruce.gif
If they build motherboards the way they package apps, then they should come very well packaged to you biggrin.gif
You're right, that is a really nice cooler, I love it, but the issue is my air flow in my case, the Enthoo Evolv ATX Glass doesn't seem to be that good specially for the intake fans.
The fans are very close to the front of the case, and with the air filters it blocks the flow a bit.
In fact, if I remove the front face of the case I can see the temps going lower by a few degrees, without changing anything else.

It's a shame because that case really looks gorgeous to me biggrin.gif
Welcome to the club of the hotties thumb.gif

Anyway, I'm now testing various strategies and I'll post my results in a few hours.
I'll try all fans full speed, then some combination of lower and higher speeds to get something comfortable to the ear on idle smile.gif

Dude i have the same case! But with NH-U14S (2x140mm) as CPU Cooler
I am thinking about to change the Fans with Bequite Silent Wings 140mm High Speed
Did u find any mod for more distance? i will not use ist without dustfilter.

with regards
post #9963 of 17830
Hey guys, here some news about my PCH.

After running a test with all fans (CPU, GPU, Case) at 100% for 1 hour, the PCH stabilized at 48°C.
Today, I've worked in linux all day, and when I booted up in windows I was at 53°C only, so it looks like using linux is pushing less the chipset?

In windows in IDLE the PCH is always around 58°C.

I've rebooted to change some fan settings in bios and ... cold boot !!
I couldn't reach the BIOS, and as it was starting the third POST I've shutdown the PC by holding the power button for 10 sec.
The PC stopped with a code 8 and shutdown.

As I've had the cold boot issue, I wanted to experiment something, so I've started the PC without doing any clear CMOS and it went back to the BIOS.

There I could see the usual 1.517 VCore and CPU speed back to 3GHz.
I've quickly went to the PState page and as usual the PState was back to auto, I've then changed it to my 3.9GHz OC, and saved.

The next boot went ok and I've went into the BIOS to check things, and the VCore was back to 1.395V as all looked good.
All other settings were left at what it was before.
I've then changed my minimum fan setting, save & reset, and cold boot again.

Same as before, I've stopped PC holding power button for 10sec ... code 8 ... PC stopped!

I went into BIOS again and this time I was back again at 3GHz but the VCore was at 1.373V.
I've found that a bit weird as I was expected 1.517V again ?!

I went into the Extreme Tweaker and here is what I've seen and verified with DMM:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

VCore shows between 1.373V and 1.395V but using DMM I could read 1.358V bouncing to 1.361V.
The setting was still showing auto VCore with offset mode +0.18750V.

VDDSOC reports between 0.893 and 0.915, but DMM stay at 0.884 constantly.

DRAM Voltage shows 1.220 in bios but 1.201 on DMM, and is showing configured at 1.35000.

I've finally done a clear CMOS to make sure I'm starting over with some good bases.

I'll continue my test with PCH temps once I'm setup again!
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Originally Posted by SpecChum View Post

I'm not sure then, it definitely says 1.395v when I set auto.

I just assumed that's the "base voltage" that the internal offset gets subtracted from.

Anyway, the voltage I saw in BIOS when the OC failed was 1.395v + 0.2525v; so maybe it wasn't as bad as it seemed.

As you can see on my 1700 it also shows 1.395V, but DMM says differently.
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Windows 10 LG 38UC99 WF Corsair K95 Platinium RGB Silver Switch EVGA T2 850W 
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post #9964 of 17830
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Originally Posted by hotstocks View Post

Asus employees, please do something to fix the 20C temp reporting that is too high for the X series. I couldn't stand the noise from my radiator fans on my Corsair H100i being jet engines even at quiet mode because the mobo is telliing it my idle temps are 57C when they are really 37C and it gets worse as you use the computer. My solution was I ordered two $22 Noctua fans to quiet things down without sacrificing cooling. But to have to pay $44 and swap out brand new fans just because your mobo can't tell software the right temperatures is ridiculous 2 months into this platform. Maybe you can save other people the money and time.

Are you controlling your fans via bios or Corsair Link? I replaced the stock fans on the H110i GT as well, in my instance, I went with Noiseblocker ELoop fans which cost even a bit more than Noctua.

Running the 1700 overclocked I can still have low fan speeds, decent temps, and what I think is low noise. MUCH quieter than the Corsair fans.
post #9965 of 17830
@gupsterg

I dont think i can do any further testing on this rig. Im pulling my hair out, Today with set X39 no pstate my Rig deiced it would ramp up to 130 Bkcl giving me 5. something g on Cpu and 4g on ram biggrin.gif While of was in OS so i reset meters and started log

log too big to upload...
Bus clock change is only slight here but 2.75v on SVI2 among others.
Will drop to stock tomorrow and record smaller logs with stress tests
6 weeks ish of owning this board and not a day goes by that crazy shz don't recur
post #9966 of 17830
ignore missread biggrin.gif
post #9967 of 17830
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Originally Posted by Benus74 View Post

Yeah me too, I'd hate to see my little chipset pretending is a chef when it doesn't even know how to cook eggs wink.gif
But yeah, I'm now downloading Afterburner and I'll enable a low fan spinning.

btw - what is MSI thinking when they distribute Afterburner?
I've downloaded it and it comes a zip archive, which itself contains..? a .rar archive, which itself contains ..? an installer bruce.gif
If they build motherboards the way they package apps, then they should come very well packaged to you biggrin.gif
You're right, that is a really nice cooler, I love it, but the issue is my air flow in my case, the Enthoo Evolv ATX Glass doesn't seem to be that good specially for the intake fans.
The fans are very close to the front of the case, and with the air filters it blocks the flow a bit.
In fact, if I remove the front face of the case I can see the temps going lower by a few degrees, without changing anything else.

It's a shame because that case really looks gorgeous to me biggrin.gif
Welcome to the club of the hotties thumb.gif

Anyway, I'm now testing various strategies and I'll post my results in a few hours.
I'll try all fans full speed, then some combination of lower and higher speeds to get something comfortable to the ear on idle smile.gif

I have the same case, thinking about to buy bequite silent wings 3 140mm high speed to push some more air inside. Did you find any mod for this case??

With regards.
post #9968 of 17830
So.... either this 80c VRM reading is a lie, or my PC is doing something crazy during S3 sleep. it was maxxed @ 39c before I left for work. Come home, wake from sleep, VRM temp 80c.

Maybe waking from sleep is too stressful? It seems to have shot right back down to 26c in a heartbeat, so i'm hoping its just an erratic readout.
post #9969 of 17830
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Originally Posted by Reikoji View Post

Maybe waking from sleep is too stressful??

I can relate biggrin.gif
post #9970 of 17830
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Originally Posted by hotstocks View Post

Asus employees, please do something to fix the 20C temp reporting that is too high for the X series. I couldn't stand the noise from my radiator fans on my Corsair H100i being jet engines even at quiet mode because the mobo is telliing it my idle temps are 57C when they are really 37C and it gets worse as you use the computer. My solution was I ordered two $22 Noctua fans to quiet things down without sacrificing cooling. But to have to pay $44 and swap out brand new fans just because your mobo can't tell software the right temperatures is ridiculous 2 months into this platform. Maybe you can save other people the money and time.
its not really a temperature problem as more of a voltage problem. you can look through my history, but i'll quote what i wrote awhile ago:
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so on the advice i gave my buddy, he picked up the gigabyte gaming 5 over the crosshair and i do truly believe a lot of issues plaguing ryzen is stemming from the use of the crosshair in regards to high temperatures, ram compatibility, and voltages. i helped him set everything up and before we built his computer together he let me use his gaming 5 for a shortwhile to further test somethings out. honestly, i just wanted to see if my 1800x and gskill 16gb flare x kit played well again like it did prior when i had the gaming 5... and lo and behold, they worked great at 3200 like before. no cold boot issues.

but i did some more testing regarding the complaints i made eailer about my 1800x running hotter and at higher voltage at stock settings with xfr enabled on the crosshair compared to my previous gaming 5. from digging into i noticed the difference. the gaming 5 is simply not as aggressive as the crosshair in regards to xfr boosting. i noticed on the gaming 5 my 1800x RARELY boosted to 4.1ghz during an xfr boost. it only boosted to 4ghz the MAJORITY of the time when it boosted high with xfr. that little difference makes a WHOLE A LOT of a difference. with the gaming 5 only pegging 4ghz most of the time for the top end, the volts stayed below 1.4 volts range with an average of 1.34v's after monitoring for 40 minutes. this also caused the fans not to ramp up and down like crazy since any load, even the slightest didn't cause xfr to jump straight to 4.1ghz and 1.5v's like the crosshair does. i also noticed how my 1800x on the gaming 5 didn't stay at 4ghz for long and it didn't jump up to 4ghz frequently. it would mostly boost up to around 3.8 - 3.9ghz. only a few times would it boost to 4ghz, let alone 4.1. unlike the crosshair where its always pegging 4.1ghz anytime anything touches a core, regardless how heavy it is. idle, then open firefox? boom 4.1. load foobar? boom 4.1 with 1.5v's. alt tab to swtich a lot, boom 4.1 with 1.5v's. why i noticed a high 1.4v average with the crosshair.

i also noticed another odd ball. the gaming 5 when under abusive load, like intel burn test, both regular and avx, along with prime, my 1800x would operate at 3.5ghz rather than 3.7ghz it does on the crosshair. so this caused my 1800x to run cooler since it used far less volts at 3.5ghz.

after doing the testing and putting my buddies computer together i ran the same tests on his 1800x. what i observed with mine i observed with his. what i find odd the most was the heavy load when all 16 threads are used at 100% with how it runs at 3.5ghz instead of the stock 3.6ghz. let alone 3.7ghz because iirc, with xfr enabled, all cores operate at 3.7ghz instead of 3.6ghz stock. so i don't know why its dropping to 3.5ghz on the gaming 5. the cooler used for mine was a nh-d15s while my buddy is using a corsair h110i. so cooling shouldn't be an issue.

so for those having ram issues, temps, and voltage it could just be the motherboard. even regarding overal ram stabilitly for the perfect case scenerio, samsung single rank 16gb kits. that's what puzzles me the absolute most is how i have cold boot issues with the SAME flare x kit on my crosshair but NOT on the gaming 5. for xfr with voltages and temperatures, for whatever reason i don't know. could be asus themselves tweaking bios settings to make xfr more aggressive since they figure those wanting the crosshair to run at stock settings can get the most out of it, or maybe since the crosshair has a better power delivery system it allows ryzen to boost to those high frequencies, and voltages at stock. i'm sorta leaning towards both with how the gaming 5 drops to 3.5ghz at full, 16 thread load since it does have a weaker vrm setup compared to the crosshair.

either way i would rather have my 1800x boosting to 3.8 - 3.9ghz frequently, with an occasion 4ghz, and rare 4.1ghz if it meant it kept voltages down allowing for lower temps and fan speeds.... but i also like the crosshair overall features wise. i just reconmended the gaming 5 to my friend because its an easier set it and forget it experience.
so tl/dr, its more so of an aggressive XFR, leading to high voltage, problem rather than the 20c offset. for whatever reason, again based on my own testing with two crosshairs and now three gaming 5's, granted limited with just the gaming 5's, but does show something, the crosshair is MORE aggressive with XFR, leading it to run at higher voltages, causing higher temperature spikes than other motherboards. at least compared to the gaming 5.

my 1800x NEVER idled at 50+c on my gaming 5 with XFR enabled. then again, it also didn't use 1.5v's on the gaming 5 when boosting. why its this way on the crosshair is beyond me and can only speculate, like i wrote in my quote.

for the time being i've been running with XFR disabled. fans don't ramp up high, much cooler temps since voltages stay within 1.2v range. sucks to lose out on that little extra performance though.
Edited by muffins - 4/18/17 at 5:01pm
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