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post #11 of 23
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When I started developing RSI, the xornet 2 was the first mouse to stop it for me. But its heavy-ish weight and smoothing triggered my dysgraphia a lot, so I ended up switching to the g303, which actively made my RSI worse. I was forced to use it wearing gloves, which dramatically reduced how hard I held it and made it stop triggering my RSI, but it was a lot harder to control easily. The g203 finally came out (same shape as the g pro) and it doesn't trigger my dysgraphia and the shape doesn't make my RSI come back.

Anyways, after long enough using a replacement that doesn't trigger RSI, you'll be able to switch back to whatever your actual preference is. Just make sure to take it easy and don't force yourself to game when your RSI is burning up.

As a general thing, wide grips are better for RSI than skinny/tight ones, even if the RSI is "burning up" in the arm instead of the hand.

just quoting this post because it's more or less what i was going to say (but in worse english).
and take note of the "take it easy" bit, take it seriously. i thought my RSI was bad until i met a few people with bad cases of it. you really want to avoid it getting to a point where it bothers you constantly, even when not using a mouse.

also, take as many "breaks" as you can. eg, you die in-game? let go of your mouse - rotate your wrist, stretch your arm, wiggle your fingers, rotate your arm, wave your arms, make a fist, whatever you can think of
post #12 of 23
Stop using the PC. It will only get worse unless you take some time off. If you have to use it for a job, then be mindful and take breaks often and don't use it in your free time.
    
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First I would be more detailed with your report. Do you get swollen? Where? How do the joints look? If you move your fingers, wrist and elbows in all directions, do you get more pain?

No obvious visual signs so far. The pain doesn't change depending on how I move my arm, hand, or fingers.
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The predecessor to this video is being thrown around quite a lot and I have seen tons of good feedback about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9OCxQgmfL0

I tried these myself and have to say it defenitely helped, there are a few of those videos on his channel, some about cold hands, some about carpal tunnel. Worth checking out.

Thanks for the link. I checked out that YouTube channel, and tried following along with this video -- not sure if it will help long-term, but it felt really nice right after finishing up the exercises.



As far as taking it easy, I'll try to reduce my gaming hours, but I'm pretty casual as is, and I'm still only 24, so I think that I should be able to handle it without too much difficulty once I figure out how to take better care of myself.
post #14 of 23
i actually experienced this until i tried mice with a "bearpaw" grip (naos, qpad 8k, func ms-3, ikari)

These mice stopped me from gripping the mouse so tightly and relaxed all my muscles and it really helped. The shapes are comfy but arent ideal for gaming as you sacrifice some precision for comfort, but if youre interested in bearpaw grip mice then mionix naos is a good place to start, very ergonomic and quite low so it relaxes all your muscles.
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i actually experienced this until i tried mice with a "bearpaw" grip (naos, qpad 8k, func ms-3, ikari)

These mice stopped me from gripping the mouse so tightly and relaxed all my muscles and it really helped. The shapes are comfy but arent ideal for gaming as you sacrifice some precision for comfort, but if youre interested in bearpaw grip mice then mionix naos is a good place to start, very ergonomic and quite low so it relaxes all your muscles.
I second this. The Ikari has done wonders for my wrist. Personally, I definitely lose the ability to do very small and smooth adjustments though, like tracking someones head in CS. For me, these movements aren't smooth and precise, and ends up pretty much being a series of micro flicks. Sooo comfy tho......
post #16 of 23
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Stop using the PC. It will only get worse unless you take some time off. If you have to use it for a job, then be mindful and take breaks often and don't use it in your free time.

I agree with you but I would also like to add some thing. Taking a break from something he is probalby going to use for the rest of his life, maybe both privately and proffessionally would be limited. It's like a diet. Pretty much all diets work, but if you then go back go eating/your previousl lifestyle you will end up with the same issues you had before the diet. If he has starting to have symptoms of rsi at 24 already especially if he´s a casusal that's an indictor something's wrong. For the most part this means hes doing something 'wrong' to produce these issues. He has to learn how to use a keyboard and mouse without injury.
post #17 of 23
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I agree with you but I would also like to add some thing. Taking a break from something he is probalby going to use for the rest of his life, maybe both privately and proffessionally would be limited. It's like a diet. Pretty much all diets work, but if you then go back go eating/your previousl lifestyle you will end up with the same issues you had before the diet. If he has starting to have symptoms of rsi at 24 already especially if he´s a casusal that's an indictor something's wrong. For the most part this means hes doing something 'wrong' to produce these issues. He has to learn how to use a keyboard and mouse without injury.

Yes obviously get the ergonomic products he requires. But he should also take up other hobbies. I have had this type of problem myself, and it really only goes away when I take a break for a few months and do some other hobby. Remember, everything in moderation. I'd suggest some type of fitness hobby. Would be a shame if he ruined his hands at 24 playing computer games and was unable to work a job that required computer use. Get the ergonomic products you need and limit your use of the computer except when you need to use it.
Edited by Vario - 3/8/17 at 6:55am
    
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post #18 of 23
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Quick update, if anyone cares. G Pro with fingertip grip seems to be helping, along with daily wrist, arm, and hand exercises, and working out 3x a week. Ironically, the ergonomic palm and claw grip mice just seem to make it worse, so it's worth trying all shapes to see what works best for you, without assuming that "ergonomic" = healthier.
Edited by dgmul - 4/16/17 at 12:39pm
post #19 of 23
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Hi OC,

RSI pains are making it increasingly more difficult for me to game. I'm wondering if anyone here has ever had symptoms matching my own, and if so, how do you best manage it? I don't feel anything the day of a gaming session, but the following day, I always feel a vague soreness throughout my mouse arm, all the way from my elbow down to my wrist. I can't easily pinpoint it to any specific location in my arm, and it doesn't increase or decrease throughout the day; it's just a steady, dull ache.

I've tried multiple different mouse shapes, including ergonomic mice, as well as different postures and mouse sensitivity changes. I'm not sure what else I can do.

Thanks for any feedback,
Danny

Man up and keep using the same mouse for a month. The pain will go away after that. If it doesn't go away, then you are doing something else wrong. Eating habits, not having enough sleep, allergies, moving a lot while sleeping, bad sleeping habits.

Just plant your hand in any mouse and rest the weight of your hand on the short palmar muscle, the one near your pinky. Don't hold it like if it were going to slip away. Just relax your hand without putting any pressure in holding the mouse and move it without second thoughs; don't even think about the mouse. Use 800 DPI and high sensitivity in games. I think you can open up mouse switches and bent a little l shaped metal, if you find the clicks hard to press. I haven't tried this myself, nor don't know if it's how mouse switches work, but if it does, then it should work.

'Wrist pivoting' wouldn't cause a pain that goes from your arm to your wrist.

Another thing would be if you had a fan blowing hot air to your hand. It would sort of damage your nerves. Which I highly doubt.

Let it rest, take anti inflammatory pills and sleep well. Make a list of things you think that are the root of your wirst problem.
post #20 of 23
Try adjusting your sensitivity. I was having a lot of elbow/arm pain playing 1.0 sensitivity @800 DPI in CS:GO. Playing too long at my age that gets tiring/hard and I was having pain coupled with my 9-5 being a desk job.
I went to 1.5@800 a few months ago and haven't looked back. Pain has stopped.
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