Asus Crosshair VI Hero owners, "brick fix" ROM is 0902 and newer, available in OP of Elmor's CH6 OC thread linked below.
Also if using UEFI PState 0 OC with offset mode voltage for VCORE, disable Core Performance Boost, see this post plus spoiler below.
CPB is PB/XFR.
If you OC as soon as CPU go out of base clock multiplier OC mode kick in and PB/XFR is disabled.
So on a multiplier of:-
i) R7 1700 = 30.25
ii) 1700X = 34.25
iii) 1800X = 36.25
Will = OC mode.
I have a C6H, currently if a memory OC fails training :-
i) AMD CBS pages is reset.
ii) Extreme Tweaker is not reset.
iii) CPU Core Voltage Offset mode.
iv) CPB is [Auto/Enabled] on Extreme Tweaker.
CPU will get excessive voltage.
This is down to how CPU can use PB/XFR (even at boot/in UEFI) as CPB is on and as the CPU Core Voltage Offset did not reset on Extreme Tweaker = ~1.5V to CPU .
So my advice if you OC DISABLE CPB manually in UEFI.
If you OC as soon as CPU go out of base clock multiplier OC mode kick in and PB/XFR is disabled.
So on a multiplier of:-
i) R7 1700 = 30.25
ii) 1700X = 34.25
iii) 1800X = 36.25
Will = OC mode.
I have a C6H, currently if a memory OC fails training :-
i) AMD CBS pages is reset.
ii) Extreme Tweaker is not reset.
iii) CPU Core Voltage Offset mode.
iv) CPB is [Auto/Enabled] on Extreme Tweaker.
CPU will get excessive voltage.
This is down to how CPU can use PB/XFR (even at boot/in UEFI) as CPB is on and as the CPU Core Voltage Offset did not reset on Extreme Tweaker = ~1.5V to CPU .
So my advice if you OC DISABLE CPB manually in UEFI.
Last update: 23/12/17
- Ryzen Timings Checker v1.02 link added.
This thread's OP will just have essential Ryzen info which I have collected for my own purposes of "meddling"
The Ryzen data I have collected so far from owners, if you would like to be included please state IHS stamp info. As it will be interesting to see if newer batches improve on OC'ability or not.
Essential Viewing
by der8auer
by der8auer
Essential Reading
Ryzen: Strictly technical by The Stilt
The PDF in ROG Crosshair VI overclocking thread by Elmor
Official AMD Ryzen DDR4 24/7 Memory Stability Thread
Ryzen Memory IC Collection Thread
Community Update #4: Let's Talk DRAM!
Memory OC Showdown: Frequency vs. Memory Timings (Also view section in OP Is RAM MHz king?)
Useful links
Windows 7 update unblocker
AMD Ryzen Master Utility - APP/PDF
AMD AM4 Chipset driver - Supports Windows 10/8.1/7 (64 -bit)
RyMem - the easiest way to see if your RAM will work with AM4
Elmor's tinkering tools for C6H
Elmor's SPD Tool, which allows checking of SPD data for corruption and restoring if you have file.
Ryzen Timings Checker v1.02 by The Stilt
UEFI 1403-SP42M by The Stilt for C6H
UEFI 9920-SP42M by The Stilt for C6H
Now the basics I have been gathering
RAM Info / Data Fabric (DFICLK) / Memory Stability testing
Above is the official info on Ryzen 7 DDR4 support, any other config would be considered unofficial/OC. As the platform is so new currently, ROMs of mobos need to mature, so your achievable speeds will differ with higher spec DDR4 plus what #dimms/rank used/size GB.
Next on the C6H is an option DRAM VBoot Voltage, why is this handy?
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Next AMD will be releasing an update in May, which will improve RAM options.
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I do not know the validity of this screen shot, it is on MSI AM4 mobo pages:-
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I do not know the validity of this screen shot, it is on MSI AM4 mobo pages:-
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ProcODT = Processor On Die Termination
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Samsung B (SR) 2x8GB 53.3Ω / 60.0Ω
Samsung B (DR) 2x16GB 80Ω / 96Ω
Samsung B (DR) 4x16GB 43.6Ω
Hynix A (DR) 2x8GB 53.3Ω
Hynix A (DR) 4x8GB 40Ω
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Suggested ProcODT values from Elmor/The Stilt.
Samsung B (SR) 2x8GB 53.3Ω / 60.0Ω
Samsung B (DR) 2x16GB 80Ω / 96Ω
Samsung B (DR) 4x16GB 43.6Ω
Hynix A (DR) 2x8GB 53.3Ω
Hynix A (DR) 4x8GB 40Ω
Case 1
i) User sets ProcODT 80Ω, saves and mobo repost.
ii) On repost if ProcODT is "wrong", training fail, AMD code detect this and revert to stock (ie [Auto]).
iii) Mobo repost successfully, user views ProcODT and it is [Auto].
Case 2
i) User sets ProcODT 60Ω, saves and mobo repost.
ii) On repost if ProcODT is "right", training does not fail.
iii) User views ProcODT and it is [60Ω].
A table of my testing of ProcODT
All settings were same except ProcODT and "one off" test of increased SOC: 1.05V. So too low/high a setting of ProcODT = boot issue straight away. A setting within "optimal" range will "train" on post of mobo. User needs to do further stress testing for setting.
Further testing of ProcODT
User tests "setup" with HCI Memtest, there are errors. Users needs to retweak ProcODT. Reference link 1, link 2, link 3.
FAQ
i) What is ProcODT? link 1, link 2.
ii) What is ProcODT value at [Auto]? UEFI prior to 0079 is what AMD code/training decide, after UEFI 0081 is 53.3Ω from reading Elmor's posts/build up of UEFI. UEFI 9943/9945 is what AMD code/training decide.
ii) Why can I only select predefined ProcODT? link.
iii) Why do I need to do these steps, can I not just measure the value for ProcODT with a DMM? link
iv) I'm still having issues once tuned ProcODT and passed HCI Memtest? link. Only my opinion, the caveat for this is still "we" have immaturity on platform in regard to firmware. So even if "voltages" are correct and ProcODT, "we" may still face some issues. Variables like RAM kit, IMC, etc. So for some easy "tuning" others not.
i) User sets ProcODT 80Ω, saves and mobo repost.
ii) On repost if ProcODT is "wrong", training fail, AMD code detect this and revert to stock (ie [Auto]).
iii) Mobo repost successfully, user views ProcODT and it is [Auto].
Case 2
i) User sets ProcODT 60Ω, saves and mobo repost.
ii) On repost if ProcODT is "right", training does not fail.
iii) User views ProcODT and it is [60Ω].
A table of my testing of ProcODT
All settings were same except ProcODT and "one off" test of increased SOC: 1.05V. So too low/high a setting of ProcODT = boot issue straight away. A setting within "optimal" range will "train" on post of mobo. User needs to do further stress testing for setting.
Further testing of ProcODT
User tests "setup" with HCI Memtest, there are errors. Users needs to retweak ProcODT. Reference link 1, link 2, link 3.
FAQ
i) What is ProcODT? link 1, link 2.
ii) What is ProcODT value at [Auto]? UEFI prior to 0079 is what AMD code/training decide, after UEFI 0081 is 53.3Ω from reading Elmor's posts/build up of UEFI. UEFI 9943/9945 is what AMD code/training decide.
ii) Why can I only select predefined ProcODT? link.
iii) Why do I need to do these steps, can I not just measure the value for ProcODT with a DMM? link
iv) I'm still having issues once tuned ProcODT and passed HCI Memtest? link. Only my opinion, the caveat for this is still "we" have immaturity on platform in regard to firmware. So even if "voltages" are correct and ProcODT, "we" may still face some issues. Variables like RAM kit, IMC, etc. So for some easy "tuning" others not.
What is CLDO_VDDP?
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For 2 dimm per channel dual rank leave as is, ie UEFI defaults.
For 1 dimm per channel dual rank leave as is, ie UEFI defaults.
For 2 dimm per channel single rank leave as is, ie UEFI defaults.
Only for 1 dimm per channel single rank set as Disabled for both or have BGSA Enabled.
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For 2 dimm per channel dual rank leave as is, ie UEFI defaults.
For 1 dimm per channel dual rank leave as is, ie UEFI defaults.
For 2 dimm per channel single rank leave as is, ie UEFI defaults.
Only for 1 dimm per channel single rank set as Disabled for both or have BGSA Enabled.
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In the past I have used HCI Memtest, then we have Google stressapp test, link to thread.
In the OP of Official AMD Ryzen DDR4 24/7 Memory Stability Thread, there info on using these applications. Another thread that has some good posts to ref/search in is *Official* DDR4 Z170 Z270 and X99 24/7 Memory Stability Thread.
Below is example of what is needed in a batch file to open 16 instances of HCI using 850MB to test ~13,600MB on a 16GB rig. Remove lines for lower thread count CPU and edit value after /t to change RAM amount an instance uses.
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start memTestPro.exe /t850
start memTestPro.exe /t850
start memTestPro.exe /t850
start memTestPro.exe /t850
start memTestPro.exe /t850
start memTestPro.exe /t850
start memTestPro.exe /t850
start memTestPro.exe /t850
start memTestPro.exe /t850
start memTestPro.exe /t850
start memTestPro.exe /t850
start memTestPro.exe /t850
start memTestPro.exe /t850
start memTestPro.exe /t850
start memTestPro.exe /t850
start memTestPro.exe /t850
In the OP of Official AMD Ryzen DDR4 24/7 Memory Stability Thread, there info on using these applications. Another thread that has some good posts to ref/search in is *Official* DDR4 Z170 Z270 and X99 24/7 Memory Stability Thread.
This post contains his DDR4 timings setup on F4-3600C15-8TZ @ 3466MHz which I believe to be F4-3600C15D-16GTZ (Samsung B-Die).
His timings give a very nice boost
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Past tweaking results
Some members have reported issues with them, so all RAM/CPUs may not accommodate them. For me his timings at 3333MHz eclipse 3466MHz C16 2T which is best I can attain with my CPU for that RAM MHz by keeping to SOC: 1.1V DDR: 1.375V.
More timings have also been shared for 3200MHz and 3333MHz in this post.
Hynix AFR / MFR 1 DPC SR timings in this post.
Above was
The Stilt's
3333MHz Fast setup, my F4-3200C14D-16GTZ did need 1.375V set in UEFI, so some may find 1.35V isn't enough.
Also see spoiler labeled BankGroupSwap and BankGroupSwapAlt, as BGSA Enabled with timings above is an option to use.
DRAM CAS# Latency [14]
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Read Delay [14]
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Write Delay [14]
DRAM RAS# PRE Time [14]
DRAM RAS# ACT Time [28]
Trc_SM [54]
TrrdS_SM [6]
TrrdL_SM [9]
Tfaw_SM [36]
TwtrS_SM [4]
TwtrL_SM [12]
Twr_SM [12]
Trcpage_SM [Auto]
TrdrdScl_SM [2]
TwrwrScl_SM [2]
Trfc_SM [333]
Trfc2_SM [Auto]
Trfc4_SM [Auto]
Tcwl_SM [14]
Trtp_SM [8]
Trdwr_SM [6]
Twrrd_SM [3]
TwrwrSc_SM [1]
TwrwrSd_SM [7]
TwrwrDd_SM [7]
TrdrdSc_SM [1]
TrdrdSd_SM [5]
TrdrdDd_SM [5]
Tcke_SM [6]
ProcODT_SM [60 ohm]
Cmd2T [1T]
Gear Down Mode [Disabled]
AMD CBS > UMC Common Options > DDR Memory Mapping > BankGroupSwap [Disabled] (Note: As kit was 1 DPC SR)
VBOOT/VDIMM: 1.365V
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Read Delay [14]
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Write Delay [14]
DRAM RAS# PRE Time [14]
DRAM RAS# ACT Time [28]
Trc_SM [54]
TrrdS_SM [6]
TrrdL_SM [9]
Tfaw_SM [36]
TwtrS_SM [4]
TwtrL_SM [12]
Twr_SM [12]
Trcpage_SM [Auto]
TrdrdScl_SM [2]
TwrwrScl_SM [2]
Trfc_SM [333]
Trfc2_SM [Auto]
Trfc4_SM [Auto]
Tcwl_SM [14]
Trtp_SM [8]
Trdwr_SM [6]
Twrrd_SM [3]
TwrwrSc_SM [1]
TwrwrSd_SM [7]
TwrwrDd_SM [7]
TrdrdSc_SM [1]
TrdrdSd_SM [5]
TrdrdDd_SM [5]
Tcke_SM [6]
ProcODT_SM [60 ohm]
Cmd2T [1T]
Gear Down Mode [Disabled]
AMD CBS > UMC Common Options > DDR Memory Mapping > BankGroupSwap [Disabled] (Note: As kit was 1 DPC SR)
VBOOT/VDIMM: 1.365V
His timings give a very nice boost
Past tweaking results
Some members have reported issues with them, so all RAM/CPUs may not accommodate them. For me his timings at 3333MHz eclipse 3466MHz C16 2T which is best I can attain with my CPU for that RAM MHz by keeping to SOC: 1.1V DDR: 1.375V.
More timings have also been shared for 3200MHz and 3333MHz in this post.
Hynix AFR / MFR 1 DPC SR timings in this post.
Above was
Also see spoiler labeled BankGroupSwap and BankGroupSwapAlt, as BGSA Enabled with timings above is an option to use.
Is RAM MHz king?
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Timings used for 3200LL & 3466LL in above chart are below, 3200LL needed ~≥1.45V, RAM kit used by The Stilt F4-3600C15D-16GTZ.
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Precision Boost and XFR info
R7 1700
In a heavily-multithreaded "all cores boost" scenario, this user-focused performance tuning permits the 1700 to ramp peak power draw up to its fused package power limit of approximately 90W electrical (note: AM4 reference power limit is 128W). Precision Boost and/or XFR will level off at 72.3tCase°C or ~90W of electrical power (whichever comes first).
R7 1700X/1800X
In a heavily-multithreaded "all cores boost" scenario, this user-focused performance tuning permits the 1700X/1800X to ramp peak power draw up to the AMD Socket AM4 reference limit of 128W. Precision Boost and/or XFR will level off at 60tCase°C or 128W of electrical power (whichever comes first).
Notes: above is for "out of box" setup, when we up multipler of CPU past x point CPU goes into OC mode, so "headroom" limitations are removed.
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For the 1700 SKU the clock configuration is following:
- 3.0GHz all core frequency (MACF)
- 3.2GHz maximum all core XFR ceiling (ACXFRC)
- 3.7GHz single core frequency (MSCF)
- 3.75GHz maximum single core XFR ceiling (SCXFRC)
For the 1700X SKU the clock configuration is following:
- 3.4GHz all core frequency (MACF)
- 3.5GHz maximum all core XFR ceiling (ACXFRC)
- 3.8GHz single core frequency (MSCF)
- 3.9GHz maximum single core XFR ceiling (SCXFRC).
For the 1800X SKU the clock configuration is following:
- 3.6GHz all core frequency (MACF)
- 3.7GHz maximum all core XFR ceiling (ACXFRC)
- 4.0GHz single core frequency (MSCF)
- 4.1GHz maximum single core XFR ceiling (SCXFRC)
In above slide PState 0 is 3600MHz on the 1800X, that is the base frequency of Precision Boost; then we have the other boost frequencies dependent on other factors of headroom/XFR.
XFR is on non X CPU but half that of a X CPU.
In a heavily-multithreaded "all cores boost" scenario, this user-focused performance tuning permits the 1700 to ramp peak power draw up to its fused package power limit of approximately 90W electrical (note: AM4 reference power limit is 128W). Precision Boost and/or XFR will level off at 72.3tCase°C or ~90W of electrical power (whichever comes first).
R7 1700X/1800X
In a heavily-multithreaded "all cores boost" scenario, this user-focused performance tuning permits the 1700X/1800X to ramp peak power draw up to the AMD Socket AM4 reference limit of 128W. Precision Boost and/or XFR will level off at 60tCase°C or 128W of electrical power (whichever comes first).
Notes: above is for "out of box" setup, when we up multipler of CPU past x point CPU goes into OC mode, so "headroom" limitations are removed.
Regarding tCase°C :-
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For the 1700 SKU the clock configuration is following:
- 3.0GHz all core frequency (MACF)
- 3.2GHz maximum all core XFR ceiling (ACXFRC)
- 3.7GHz single core frequency (MSCF)
- 3.75GHz maximum single core XFR ceiling (SCXFRC)
For the 1700X SKU the clock configuration is following:
- 3.4GHz all core frequency (MACF)
- 3.5GHz maximum all core XFR ceiling (ACXFRC)
- 3.8GHz single core frequency (MSCF)
- 3.9GHz maximum single core XFR ceiling (SCXFRC).
For the 1800X SKU the clock configuration is following:
- 3.6GHz all core frequency (MACF)
- 3.7GHz maximum all core XFR ceiling (ACXFRC)
- 4.0GHz single core frequency (MSCF)
- 4.1GHz maximum single core XFR ceiling (SCXFRC)
In above slide PState 0 is 3600MHz on the 1800X, that is the base frequency of Precision Boost; then we have the other boost frequencies dependent on other factors of headroom/XFR.
XFR is on non X CPU but half that of a X CPU.
The base-clock (BCLK)
Firstly this is covered in The Stilt's OP of Anandtech thread. Next is info on say Crosshair VI Hero where it does this:-
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Now let's say we keep stock multipler and adjust BCLK, will PB/XFR function? link. I would also think as CPU has not entered "OC mode" due to keeping stock multipler the limitations for "headroom" will apply as per info in section "Precision Boost and XFR info".
Currently the only motherboards with BCLK adjustment are:-
Asrock X370 Taichi
Asrock Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming
Asus Crosshair VI Hero
Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming K7
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Now let's say we keep stock multipler and adjust BCLK, will PB/XFR function? link. I would also think as CPU has not entered "OC mode" due to keeping stock multipler the limitations for "headroom" will apply as per info in section "Precision Boost and XFR info".
Currently the only motherboards with BCLK adjustment are:-
Asrock X370 Taichi
Asrock Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming
Asus Crosshair VI Hero
Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming K7
VID/VCORE Info
Below is Official info from AMD on 1700/1700X/1800X is:-
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Next info from The Stilt, link.
Due to how Ryzen is, owners will see variable voltage and high peaks when PB/XFR occurs.
It is confirmed now that using AMD CBS section places CPU in "OC mode" like by just a multiplier change say in another part of mobo UEFI, the post by The Stilt.
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Just to prove above is official info, please use the link in this post, see page 34.
Next info from The Stilt, link.
Due to how Ryzen is, owners will see variable voltage and high peaks when PB/XFR occurs.
It is confirmed now that using AMD CBS section places CPU in "OC mode" like by just a multiplier change say in another part of mobo UEFI, the post by The Stilt.
C6H ProbeIt VCORE point vs measuring at socket
The ProbeIt read points are on page 32 of user manual, when I have an image of measuring points for socket, it will be placed here.
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Only other thing to add to above is the dLDOs are used by minor domains of Ryzen, this is stated by The Stilt in his Ryzen: Strictly technical thread on Anandtech.
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Which PState to edit?
See this post and this earlier one in thread is also good to note.
PState 0 in AMD CBS from what I have experienced and others, the VID must remain default. On a R7 1700 this is 1.1875V (VID: 3A), for 1700X/1800X it's 1.35V (VID: 20). So to gain voltage you require for an OC manual or offset mode CPU voltage is needed.
On a R7 1700 what I noted. Stock CPU, idle ~1.4GHz, PState 2 is default 1550MHz
Next I change only PState 0 to attain a higher ACB clock and do not modify PState 2 (default 1550MHz), the higher I go for MHz in PState 0 the closer idle clock gets to PState 2 (MHz value).
So lets' say I go for PState 0 as 3.7GHz I'll be idling at ~1.5GHz , next I set PState 0 as 3.8GHz I'll be idling at ~1.55GHz, so basically the value in PState 2 is acting as "ceiling" clock for that state and based on how far you OC PState 0 you attain a higher PState 2 clock.
If you lower Pstate 2 you get lower idle, I was able to go all the way down to 1125MHz, 1100MHz I'd get random freezes in OS, I had not edited VID in PState 2 for this set of test.
Next I edit VID in PState 2, I could use 575mV compared with default 875mV, this approximately changed the idle voltage "range" by ~100mV on DMM readings for VCORE. This meant my idle VCORE range was very close to stock CPU idle VCORE.
PState 0 in AMD CBS from what I have experienced and others, the VID must remain default. On a R7 1700 this is 1.1875V (VID: 3A), for 1700X/1800X it's 1.35V (VID: 20). So to gain voltage you require for an OC manual or offset mode CPU voltage is needed.
On a R7 1700 what I noted. Stock CPU, idle ~1.4GHz, PState 2 is default 1550MHz
Next I change only PState 0 to attain a higher ACB clock and do not modify PState 2 (default 1550MHz), the higher I go for MHz in PState 0 the closer idle clock gets to PState 2 (MHz value).
So lets' say I go for PState 0 as 3.7GHz I'll be idling at ~1.5GHz , next I set PState 0 as 3.8GHz I'll be idling at ~1.55GHz, so basically the value in PState 2 is acting as "ceiling" clock for that state and based on how far you OC PState 0 you attain a higher PState 2 clock.
If you lower Pstate 2 you get lower idle, I was able to go all the way down to 1125MHz, 1100MHz I'd get random freezes in OS, I had not edited VID in PState 2 for this set of test.
Next I edit VID in PState 2, I could use 575mV compared with default 875mV, this approximately changed the idle voltage "range" by ~100mV on DMM readings for VCORE. This meant my idle VCORE range was very close to stock CPU idle VCORE.
Temp info
HWiNFO shows tCTL, this matches AMD Master OC SW, similar to CPU Package MAX temp on Intel. The information on tCTL is contained in this post by The Stilt (Zeppelin=Ryzen).
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Then there is this info from AMD, link :-
Now it is still unclear what is going on with temps, from seeing some of owners posts in the Ryzen club, some members find the need to adjust say tCTL offset in HWiNFO to make it match with AMD Master, others don't. HWiNFO by default has no offset present to tCTL, so this variation must be concluded as down to how mobo UEFI is setup, but I can not say for sure.
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Now it is still unclear what is going on with temps, from seeing some of owners posts in the Ryzen club, some members find the need to adjust say tCTL offset in HWiNFO to make it match with AMD Master, others don't. HWiNFO by default has no offset present to tCTL, so this variation must be concluded as down to how mobo UEFI is setup, but I can not say for sure.
Sense MI Skew on C6H - To disable or not?
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Stability testing
Y-Cruncher, this for me runs ~5 warmer than x264, this also is more stressful than RealBench IMO. I do Y-Cruncer 1st, without FFT as temps don't increase much for that so I reckon no use on Ryzen. 2nd x264, 3rd RealBench Stress mode and then f@h is also a productive stress test IMO.
x264 on my sample of Ryzen needs more VCORE to be stable than RealBench Stress mode. OC also falls over quicker than RealBench. For example RB ST 2hrs pass on 3.7GHz @ 1.1875V but x264 it didn't even pass 1 loop, needed 1.206V. x264/x265 download in this post by JackCY.
RealBench, stated by 8 Pack, used by Silicon Lottery for binning. This page right at the top is latest version, v2.54.
Prime 95 with Ryzen support - BETA
IBT AVX found in OP of Vishera Owners thread.
x264 on my sample of Ryzen needs more VCORE to be stable than RealBench Stress mode. OC also falls over quicker than RealBench. For example RB ST 2hrs pass on 3.7GHz @ 1.1875V but x264 it didn't even pass 1 loop, needed 1.206V. x264/x265 download in this post by JackCY.
RealBench, stated by 8 Pack, used by Silicon Lottery for binning. This page right at the top is latest version, v2.54.
Prime 95 with Ryzen support - BETA
IBT AVX found in OP of Vishera Owners thread.
Windows 7 on Ryzen
Ryzen_USB_W7_x64.zip 879k .zip file
1. USB driver link/DISM guide by The Stilt.
2. Guide on using NTLite to integrate drivers at Fernando's Win-RAID Forum.
3. of me using NTLite to integrate USB driver to Win 7 Pro x64.
Anyone installing Win 7 this is how it went on my C6H:-
i) Win 7 Pro x64 ISO, this did not have "to date" updates integrated but only the USB drivers.
ii) After OS install, I installed the AM4 chipset drivers from AMD site.
iii) WiFi card's driver, GC-WB867D-I, I use Intel driver from Intel site and not Gigabyte.
vi) Crimson driver for Fury X, then ICC profile for monitor.
And no "unknown" devices in device manager
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I have onboard LAN disabled as don't use it, that does require driver. Onboard sound was picked up, but that will be disabled later as use the GPU's audio output over DP to monitor, then plug my headphones in to it.
So far very smooth install of OS and a few less drivers than my i5/Z97 setup
. Like how the AMD AM4 driver had SMBus, etc as "all in one" package
. Keeping "bloatware" at bay so far
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1. USB driver link/DISM guide by The Stilt.
2. Guide on using NTLite to integrate drivers at Fernando's Win-RAID Forum.
3. of me using NTLite to integrate USB driver to Win 7 Pro x64.
Anyone installing Win 7 this is how it went on my C6H:-
i) Win 7 Pro x64 ISO, this did not have "to date" updates integrated but only the USB drivers.
ii) After OS install, I installed the AM4 chipset drivers from AMD site.
iii) WiFi card's driver, GC-WB867D-I, I use Intel driver from Intel site and not Gigabyte.
vi) Crimson driver for Fury X, then ICC profile for monitor.
And no "unknown" devices in device manager
I have onboard LAN disabled as don't use it, that does require driver. Onboard sound was picked up, but that will be disabled later as use the GPU's audio output over DP to monitor, then plug my headphones in to it.
So far very smooth install of OS and a few less drivers than my i5/Z97 setup
Power Plan editing in Windows
The registry edit in this post by JackCY has info on enabling editable core parking in Win 10. This thread has information on doing the same on Win 7.
I have been using Win 7 Pro with High Performance Power Plan setup with disabled core parking and below CPU settings:-
Above setup with an OC via AMD CBS (PState 0) is down volting / clocking for me.
How to Add "Choose Power Plan" to Desktop Context Menu in Windows 7 and Windows 8.
Windows 10: 'Choose Power Plan' context menu - Add in Windows 10
My results on Windows 7 Power Plan tweaking
For me High Performance power plan with Core Parking off (ie 100%) on Win 7 Pro x64 gives best performance on 3DM FS, here are 3 runs of each.
Balanced Core Parking default 10% (ie enabled).
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12047423/fs/12047468/fs/12047496
Balanced Core Parking 50% (ie disabledish)
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12047629/fs/12047655/fs/12047686
High Performance Core Parking 100% (ie disabled)
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12047769/fs/12047794/fs/12047824
I have been using Win 7 Pro with High Performance Power Plan setup with disabled core parking and below CPU settings:-
Above setup with an OC via AMD CBS (PState 0) is down volting / clocking for me.
How to Add "Choose Power Plan" to Desktop Context Menu in Windows 7 and Windows 8.
Windows 10: 'Choose Power Plan' context menu - Add in Windows 10
My results on Windows 7 Power Plan tweaking
For me High Performance power plan with Core Parking off (ie 100%) on Win 7 Pro x64 gives best performance on 3DM FS, here are 3 runs of each.
Balanced Core Parking default 10% (ie enabled).
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12047423/fs/12047468/fs/12047496
Balanced Core Parking 50% (ie disabledish)
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12047629/fs/12047655/fs/12047686
High Performance Core Parking 100% (ie disabled)
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/12047769/fs/12047794/fs/12047824
FAQ
My procedure.
i) UEFI filename as C6H.CAP, copy to USB stick.
ii) Load UEFI defaults prior to doing flashback and let mobo repost and shutdown.
iii) Make sure USB stick is in Flashback port (marked in red box below image)
iv) Press and hold the Flashback button (blue box, above image) ~5secs. Blue LED on the button will flash slow for a few seconds and quicken as it starts update process. At the end of process it will extinguish, you are ready to boot up. If the blue LED stays constant the UEFI file was not found on USB stick, so check USB stick is correct format and filename is correct.
http://event.asus.com/2012/mb/USB_BIOS_Flashback_GUIDE/
i) UEFI filename as C6H.CAP, copy to USB stick.
ii) Load UEFI defaults prior to doing flashback and let mobo repost and shutdown.
iii) Make sure USB stick is in Flashback port (marked in red box below image)
iv) Press and hold the Flashback button (blue box, above image) ~5secs. Blue LED on the button will flash slow for a few seconds and quicken as it starts update process. At the end of process it will extinguish, you are ready to boot up. If the blue LED stays constant the UEFI file was not found on USB stick, so check USB stick is correct format and filename is correct.
http://event.asus.com/2012/mb/USB_BIOS_Flashback_GUIDE/
When using UEFI PState 0 OC with offset mode voltage for VCORE, disable Core Performance Boost on Extreme Tweaker page, there is no need to set the one in AMD CBS menu as that will reset on a memory training fail boot (Q-Code: F9), resulting in possible over volting of CPU, see info at top of OP.
Note:
i) Use Global C-States Control: [Enabled] located in Advanced page > AMD CBS > Zen Common Options.
ii) CPU Core Ratio all sections on Extreme Tweaker page keep as [Auto]
Note:
i) Use Global C-States Control: [Enabled] located in Advanced page > AMD CBS > Zen Common Options.
ii) CPU Core Ratio all sections on Extreme Tweaker page keep as [Auto]
When I did testing for saving UEFI settings:-
- Did not matter which USB port I used, I just picked random one on rear IO, USB stick FAT32 (same stick I use for USB Flashback).
- After you press CTRL + F2 the entry box for filename is already highlighted, denoted by turquoise / light blue green highlight around it.
- Pressing tab / arrow keys / using mouse, entry box can be selected if it is not.
- Whatever filename you enter it will have _setting.txt added to it on save.
- txt will be saved in root of USB stick.
Note: AMD CBS sections are not recorded in settings save txt, I use F12 to grab UEFI screenshots.
save_setting.txt 17k .txt file
Quote:
1. Unpack Ryzen_Balanced_Plan.ppkg with 7zip and open an admin command prompt then change the filepath. Actual .pow file is located in Ryzen_Balanced_Plan\DataAsset\2Ryzen_Balanced.pow_2a73e\Ryzen_Balanced.pow
2. In the command prompt type "powercfg /import ""
2. In the command prompt type "powercfg /import ""
So far none of the UEFIs have had an option, so use bcdedit in OS from command prompt/powershell.
bcdedit /set useplatformclock false to disable
bcdedit /set useplatformclock true to enable
bcdedit /set useplatformclock false to disable
bcdedit /set useplatformclock true to enable
Do I need to use both EPS12V 8 pin and ATX12V 4 pin connectors for power on C6H? link.
Will XMP work on AM4 board? , has option not functioning currently, perhaps in a later release. On , that video is from 2012 . Gigabyte X370 Gaming 5 has XMP option. Don't know how many/which AMD AM4 mobos have XMP translation feature though.
Will mobo's without BCLK clock gen chip support adjustment? link and also link.
What about Ryzen's gaming performance issue? link to post.
Does HWiNFO report CPU power correctly? to be verified by The Stilt, do read this linked post.
Which cores are SMT (HT) in windows? odd, link to post.
For VDDP, this, this, this
FCLK, UCLK, link to post, another post on UCLK.
Does AMD Master OC SW work with all mobos? will not work on mobos with chipset that lack OC support, see table in this THG article.
Gaining RAM IC information, .
If having issues with AIDA64 memory bench set tRDRD_Sc = 1
My Benches Collection
3x 3DM FS 3200MHz from several days ago. 3x 3DM FS 2133MHz run today. i5 4690K from 250+ Fury X 3DM benches thread, will get R7/X370 on Win 10 soon and use same driver as that thread
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Rerun of 3x 3DM FS 3200MHz . Saves files for 3200MHz below.
3DM_FS_3200MHz.zip 347k .zip file
All I do is change RAM strap in UEFI, RAM timings are manually set so the same used (14-14-14-14-34-1T), Asus MG279Q has FreeSync disabled in OSD, using 144Hz.
3x 3DM FS 2133MHz rerun, save files below.
3DM_FS_2133MHz.zip 353k .zip file
So out of 6 results of 2133MHz, total score for run worst vs best.
So out of 6 results of 3200MHz, total score for run worst vs best.
Then worst 2133MHz vs worst 3200MHz. Then best 2133MHz vs best 3200MHz.
CB15 Performance bias enabled in UEFI.
3200MHz without CB15 PB 6x runs from above. 3200MHz with CB15 PB 6x runs. So worst of each compared, best of each compared.
Save files.
3DM_FS_3200MHz_CB15PB.zip 715k .zip file
Rerun of 3x 3DM FS 3200MHz . Saves files for 3200MHz below.
3DM_FS_3200MHz.zip 347k .zip file
All I do is change RAM strap in UEFI, RAM timings are manually set so the same used (14-14-14-14-34-1T), Asus MG279Q has FreeSync disabled in OSD, using 144Hz.
3x 3DM FS 2133MHz rerun, save files below.
3DM_FS_2133MHz.zip 353k .zip file
So out of 6 results of 2133MHz, total score for run worst vs best.
So out of 6 results of 3200MHz, total score for run worst vs best.
Then worst 2133MHz vs worst 3200MHz. Then best 2133MHz vs best 3200MHz.
CB15 Performance bias enabled in UEFI.
3200MHz without CB15 PB 6x runs from above. 3200MHz with CB15 PB 6x runs. So worst of each compared, best of each compared.
Save files.
3DM_FS_3200MHz_CB15PB.zip 715k .zip file
3.8GHz 3200MHz C14 1T, seems more consistent results than 3DM13, but am using v17.4.3 WHQL drivers vs v16.12.2 WHQL, may repeat testing with older driver and other RAM clocks.
R7/X370 vs i5/Z97, similar ~3% difference on R7 vs i5 as 3DM13 FSE results for Graphics test elements.
R7/X370 vs i5/Z97, similar ~3% difference on R7 vs i5 as 3DM13 FSE results for Graphics test elements.
Win 7 Pro x64, all updates to date, ISO/install as in section Windows 7 on Ryzen, Power Plan as highlighted in OP relevant section. UEFI is set pretty much manually, so when I was lowering straps only what I can't control has changed.
3200MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
3200MHz C14
2933MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
2933MHz C14
2666MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
2666MHz C14
2400MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
2400MHz C14
2133MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
2133MHz C14
3200MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
3200MHz C14
2933MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
2933MHz C14
2666MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
2666MHz C14
2400MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
2400MHz C14
2133MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
2133MHz C14
Win 10 Pro x64 Creators Edition, clean ISO install, all updates to date. UEFI is set pretty much manually, so when I was lowering straps only what I can't control has changed. Power Plan is default Balanced with Core Parking 50%, this has been used as it seemed most "Optimal" for 3DM FS/TS. Then also the 3.8GHz OC I run for 24/7 use, when compared with W7 High Performance Core Parking 100& (ie disabled) vs W10C for CB R15 was ~3 points within each other. The 1703 result for CB15 in screenies is a saved result on W7 with no PB in UEFI with 3200MHz C14 1T.
3200MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
3200MHz C14
2933MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
2933MHz C14
2666MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
2666MHz C14
2400MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
2400MHz C14
2133MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
2133MHz C14
3200MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
3200MHz C14
2933MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
2933MHz C14
2666MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
2666MHz C14
2400MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
2400MHz C14
2133MHz C14 with CB15 Performance Bias enabled in C6H UEFI
2133MHz C14
More RAM clocks to added soon, so check back.