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This seems to be the bottom line for anyone who can afford Zen and a good GPU and doesn't want to buy Intel. The days of buying Piledriver to apply the money saved to a higher-end GPU seem to have come to an end, in terms of the usefulness of that approach. The minimum frame rate/smoothness issue is exposing the age of Piledriver, especially since EA's games always seem to be non-optimal on Piledriver. Zen offers much more consistency for gaming in terms of minimums and dip severity/frequency.


The caveat is that the Zen platform still has teething issues:

1) Not one board has a hybrid water/air VRM sink, even though they've been on Intel boards sine 2013.

2) The RAM speed issue still needs to be sorted out.

3) There may be issues with other new Zen tech bits needing BIOS updates for best performance.


I'm keeping my Piledriver system until a board maker steps up and offers feature parity with Intel boards, in terms of having a water/air hybrid cooler. I'm also waiting for the RAM speed issue to be sorted. I can afford to wait a while because I'm also waiting for Vega. I'm also not an FPS gamer. The genre doesn't appeal to me.

The lack of AVX-2 performance isn't a deal-breaker given the price difference between Zen and Broadwell E but I wonder how many studios will start using it. As soon as Zen hit reviewers we found a flurry of activity in terms of the development of Pov-Ray. Suddenly, including AVX-2 was decided to be very important. I wonder how many game developers will suddenly discover the importance of AVX-2. I discussed this elsewhere and heard strenuously from one person that AVX-2 doesn't offer games a whole lot. So, if that's the case, the other question will be in terms of how much it can offer to prosumer and professional apps that need all the performance they can get. Will they all see a huge boost like with Pov-Ray or will it be modest?

I am pleased that AMD chose to use solder once again.

So, the next question is: "Are there any gaming niches where Piledriver's lower price still make it relevant?". PCWorld said VR can run comfortably on even a 2 module Piledriver. So, at a clock of 4.4 or more, a full Vishera seems to be enough for VR at the moment. The money saved can go to the cost of the headset and a better GPU. Or, are there VR titles that are becoming demanding on the CPU already?
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Well fx is not dead until ryzen 1600 series CPU's arrive. Many people are still using fx cup's and are wery pleased with it. Funny thing: all of my friends are fx user's and they called me a damass for going i7 3960x last year my rig died and ryzen was on horizon so I replaced my rig with x4 845 (great cpu but overclockig was a b....) then I replaced 845 with 860k and still running fine at 4.5ghz in meantime I dig up an old i7 2600 with gigabyte ga ph67-ud3 motherboard with 110 bckl overclock it is good but I like my 860k more. I have 1000€ for upgrade,and will definitely go ryzen,but I'm still waiting for infantsi problems to be resolved,my estimation is around,maybe,two or three weeks.Anyway is fx dead: NOT YET!
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It's "depends on game" i guess. Taken from here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/65750#post_25906255








In a local forum, in the last 4 days, i saw at least 3 users upgrading NOW to FX. biggrin.gif The problem is the lack of R3 and R5 Ryzens.
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I never knew piledriver was ever alive for high end gaming
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the ram speeds easy to work out, most of the mobo only have overclocking in two of the ram slots, least that's what it is like on my mobo and reading the asrock memory guide for the sli killer. it is reading the same way to me, you will have trouble raising the ram speed above 2400mhz with four dimms,it looks to me like 8gb or 16gb in two slots at 2666mhz is what that mobo supports and up to 2933mhz as an overclock.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X370%20Killer%20SLIac/#Specification
Edited by MrPerforations - 3/9/17 at 10:43am
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It's "depends on game" i guess. Taken from here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/65750#post_25906255
both of the AMD systems are using slow RAM in those tests. Ryzen apparently benefits nicely from 3Ghz+ DDR4. cssorkinman can correct my memory but I thought Vishera also benefited noticeably with fast DDR3.
And why didn't they use a 9590 or clock the 8350 to 5Ghz like the 7700k for such a comparison?
     
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It's "depends on game" i guess. Taken from here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1318995/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/65750#post_25906255
both of the AMD systems are using slow RAM in those tests. Ryzen apparently benefits nicely from 3Ghz+ DDR4. cssorkinman can correct my memory but I thought Vishera also benefited noticeably with fast DDR3.
And why didn't they use a 9590 or clock the 8350 to 5Ghz like the 7700k for such a comparison?
It does.
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FX vishera octocores are generally still viable for 60hz gaming( above that there are limitations).As many of us predicted, games became well threaded and now FX83x0 can stand toe to toe and often beat 2500k/3570k in current titles. Alas, the cruel march of progress means intel now fields 6800k/7700k . So enter Ryzen. FX in games can only fight 2C/4T pentiums these days.
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it says fx 6350 minimum spec on battlefield 1. i dont need to say any more.
it also says minimum specs to my gpu's, thanks for the rebrands.
Edited by MrPerforations - 3/9/17 at 11:16am
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both of the AMD systems are using slow RAM in those tests. Ryzen apparently benefits nicely from 3Ghz+ DDR4. cssorkinman can correct my memory but I thought Vishera also benefited noticeably with fast DDR3.
And why didn't they use a 9590 or clock the 8350 to 5Ghz like the 7700k for such a comparison?
One Ryzen review used an 8370 with 2400 speed RAM. It got killed in everything except 7-zip, pretty much.

An 8350 at 5 GHz isn't guaranteed and requires a top-end board and a water loop. Some large AIOs might be able to handle it with a lot of noise.

The thing about Zen that really kills FX is the smoothness issue, the better frame times (minimums, dip severity/frequency).
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