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@miklkit while I agree with your statement that getting a great motherboard is key, I think 4 cores are still relevant, depending on the use. For the future of course you would like to get more cores because eventually the OS and game developers will utilize those extra cores.

For your comment about mobos not having heatsinks that doesn't mean that their bad, a lot depends on what the mosfets and power delivery hardware are rated at, which does depend on the board manufacture. Now without having heatsinks you can limit how high you can OC a CPU.

Exactly, the new X370 ITX from Biostar doesn't have heatsinks on its VRM's its not a sign of poor quality, its just its not always a requirement. Remember these are 65w processors in the case of 1700 and lower, They aren't thermonuclear reactors like we're use to.

Just saying if the choice was down to Motherboard or CPU idk personally if I was put in the position coming from FX like mentioned above as being a FX user myself, I would not take a 4 core pile driver ever over a 6 or 8 core no matter what. Its just so obsolete and useless now. I wouldn't build a system today with a possible large intentional bottleneck if the options are there 6 core ryzens will be a good option too mind you.

Not saying 8 core or go home. I just think 4 cores are more obsolete now then before, at least how I use my system, can be 1-2 streams running, 10-15 chrome tabs, some music or youtube running, 1-2 games. I don't like compromises x3
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I totally agree as an FX user also, that they are beginning to show their age. Still great CPUs. I do look forward to both new 6 and 4 core Ryzen Cpus.
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So everyone is recommending to buy 6c right upon release. Option 2a? B350 motherboard?
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post #14 of 26
From my knowledge the difference between the X370 and the B350 is the fact that the B350 doesn't support crossfire.
I'm sure there are quality B350 boards out there.

So personally I'd save a bit of money and go with a B350. Then either a 1600x (possibly 1500) or 1700.
Edited by Sleazybigfoot - 3/12/17 at 4:21am
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As I see it, today a quad is only adequate. 6 core FXs are still gaming well in situations where some quads are bottlenecking. So yes get an octacore if you can afford it.

A B350 board can work well with a little tuning. As FX users have found the stock bios often overvolts them and a little undervolting can go a long way. For instance the VID of my FX9590 is 1.513 volts but I got it to run at 4.7 ghz at 1.428 volts stable. My 8370 is rated at 1.313 v but at 4 ghz it will run at 1.256 v stable.

How about a Ryzen running at 0.9 volts?
post #16 of 26
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From my knowledge the difference between the X370 and the B350 is the fact that the B350 doesn't support crossfire.
I'm sure there are quality B350 boards out there.

So personally I'd save a bit of money and go with a B350. Then either a 1600x (possibly 1500) or 1700.

Wrong B350 Doesn't Support SLI, it supports Crossfire.

However considering the Value of single powered GPU's these days, its unusual to crossfire/sli 2 budget cards together, and much much more typical to just run 1 1060 or 1070, or... AMD Equivalent.. when it exists.

The 4 core is a i3 range of Ryzen, its lower clocks are going to make it comparable to a non-k i5 or non-k i7 in performance.
The 6 core however will have overall performance > or equal to most i7's including x99's. And will be a Budget King.

I don't know which 6 cores were getting? Just the 1600x? 1600x will be a great chip from what I've seen for a user that doens't want to overclock, and just wants a 3.6-4.0ghz processor thats fast.
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Wrong B350 Doesn't Support SLI, it supports Crossfire.

However considering the Value of single powered GPU's these days, its unusual to crossfire/sli 2 budget cards together, and much much more typical to just run 1 1060 or 1070, or... AMD Equivalent.. when it exists.

The 4 core is a i3 range of Ryzen, its lower clocks are going to make it comparable to a non-k i5 or non-k i7 in performance.
The 6 core however will have overall performance > or equal to most i7's including x99's. And will be a Budget King.

I don't know which 6 cores were getting? Just the 1600x? 1600x will be a great chip from what I've seen for a user that doens't want to overclock, and just wants a 3.6-4.0ghz processor thats fast.

Hmmm, https://cms-images.idgesg.net/images/article/2017/01/ryzen-slide-100702363-orig.jpg says both crossfire and sli.
Ah well, multigpu setups are a waste of money (most of the time) anyway.

I believe the 1600x and the 1500 both will have 6 cores.
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post #18 of 26
Asus Prime b-350 with a 1700. Seems to be the best value at the lower price point and decent OCing with stable higher memory frequencies. You can OC the 1700 to 4.0GHz in many cases or easily 3.9Ghz and you can get stable 3200MHz from a pair of 8GB sticks. That way you have 'future proofed' yourself for a few years and can jump on the Ryzen+ in a few years too if you felt the need (although prob not necessary).

I have also read the Tomahawk and the Gaming 3 are getting good reviews too.

Stick a GTX1060 in or an RX480 (more inclined to DX12 so looking to the future with this card too) and you are good to go for a fair few years (relevant to your circumstances of course).
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Wrong B350 Doesn't Support SLI, it supports Crossfire.

However considering the Value of single powered GPU's these days, its unusual to crossfire/sli 2 budget cards together, and much much more typical to just run 1 1060 or 1070, or... AMD Equivalent.. when it exists.

The 4 core is a i3 range of Ryzen, its lower clocks are going to make it comparable to a non-k i5 or non-k i7 in performance.
The 6 core however will have overall performance > or equal to most i7's including x99's. And will be a Budget King.

I don't know which 6 cores were getting? Just the 1600x? 1600x will be a great chip from what I've seen for a user that doens't want to overclock, and just wants a 3.6-4.0ghz processor thats fast.

Hmmm, https://cms-images.idgesg.net/images/article/2017/01/ryzen-slide-100702363-orig.jpg says both crossfire and sli.
Ah well, multigpu setups are a waste of money (most of the time) anyway.

I believe the 1600x and the 1500 both will have 6 cores.

I heard reports before launch crossfire is supported o-o thats all i know
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post #20 of 26
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Bumping this thread rolleyes.gif

Still hasn`t buy anything, I will buy probably within a week. So my original question was:

a) B350 mbo + R5 6c/12t

b) some good x370 mbo + R5 4c/8t, later I would switch it for Zen2/Zen3 6c/12t. Problem is that I am not sure will current Am4 motherboards support Zen3.

After reading many reviews I came to this conclusion.

My favorite is gigabyte B350 gaming 3 + R5 1600 + 16GB DDR4 3200Mhz. I can raise my budget but I don`t like any of x370 affordable budget mbo.

These x370 was favorites, but every of them has some problems, other x370 are out of my price range or have something other that I don`t like (ALC892,...)

X370 Asus prime - doesn`t seem stable, constant bricking, thin PCB (?)

Asrock x370 K4 - low quality VRM, comes with different version - components

Gigabyte x370 Gaming 5 - much negative reviews, board simply dies, front audio has crackling sound

No new mbo releases on the horizon, probably no price drop in near future.

B350 gigabyte gaming 3 seems most stable, also has ALC1220, I was thinking of holding my cpu at max 1,3V (3,6 - 3,7 Ghz). I will put exhaust fan on top on my Define R5, will that be enough to keep VRM cool (under 80C?)? When I put fan on top exhaust I will have 3 intake and 2 exhaust, that should be a very good airflow, I think that will be enough for the next 5+ years (component durability - longevity is important to me). Let say after 2-3 years I change my RX 480 (to RX 680?), I will still able to play games on high detail (1080p now, after 2-3 years maybe 1440p monitor)?

Zen3 will probably be on AM4+ (DDR5, won`t support current mbo?), looking this rebrand RX 480 -> 580 I think that difference between Zen1 and Zen3 will be 10-20%, nothing massive. I can if I want raise my budget out the limit and buy now Asrock Taichi but I think that really not worth it, for that money I can buy better headphones, speaker or mech keyboard.

So what do you think?
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