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With the 2.10 update Im running them at 3200 stable at:

16-14-14-14-34 1.40V
14-14-14-14-36 1.35V

If I use whatever other settings( I tried every possible combination, Overwatch , Black Desert etc games crashes
Edited by Trender07 - 4/16/17 at 9:39am
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With the 2.10 update Im running them at 3200 stable at:

16-14-14-14-34 1.40V
14-14-14-14-36 1.35V

If I use whatever other settings( I tried every possible combination, Overwatch , Black Desert etc games crashes

Interesting. Any other setting worth mentoning? I've noticed soc voltage is set to 1.1V when selecting 3200 divider on 2.10 BIOS.

Will try your timings now. BTW did you try testing it with Intel Burn Test? Even with standard test it crashed for me at 14-14-14-14-34 1.35-145V
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I'll wait for next bios to decide if selling this board and getting another.
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So what timings should i use / try, to get to 2933 or better yet 3200?

The only info ive got so far thats worked, is set the XMP and down clock to 2666. Ive never used XMP before, always set it manually. But that was with intel. On my old rig, XMP didnt work, but setting it manually to the same settings as XMP, did. Just XMP was not enabled. weird.

Off topic question: Ive got my cpu voltage at 1.275. Boots, opens windows, runs cbr15, runs prime95 thermal test, but about 3 minutes in, thread 12 and 13 drop to 50% and fluctuate/alternate to always equal 100% together. So the UC will be around 93%. I dont think thats noraml?

1.262v boots, opens windows, runs cbr15, but reboots when running prime95. So Im thinking I may need to up the voltage to 1.287. I havent tried it yet to see if thats whats making p95 not run thread 12 and 13 at 100%. Im happy with the thermals at 1.287v (70c) but i just noticed this yesterday when I couldnt get it to 4.0 at 1.350v.

At 1.350v temps at 3.8gh were 77c. at 4gh 1.350v would reboot during cbr15 mt test (no bsod, just go to reboot but not actually reboot). Im sure i could get it to 4gh but it would be way to hot and from what ive read, even if you can get it that high, throwing more voltage at it will get you diminishing returns, meaning it wont perform as well as it would at 3.9gh at lower voltages or something like that? Doesnt matter, i would like to keep it under 75c max, 70c preferred. Was hoping for 4.0gh but expected 3.9, im happy with that.

Another question is how do i change the bus speed? cpuz showing 99.80mhz? I dont see an option in bios to change the bus speed to 100mhz or is there an option? Or is that just what ryzen runs at? Or will using p-state to overclock fix that? I havent tried p-state yet. Or is there another option that i need to disable to correct that?

current manual settings:

Boot training - disabled
LLC - level 2
LLC SOC - level 2
C6 - disabled
Global C - disabled
HPET - disabled (AMD stated disable this setting via bios or windows for manual overclock, but keep enabled for ryzen master overclock)

Am i missing something?

and i have two cpu voltages...? one in manual cpu settings and one after fixed voltage setting, why are there two?

any info is appreciated, thanks!

few items to point out :
boot training : there is no reason to have this off that I've been aware of
LLCs : I use level 3 - but i'm not sure what droop/overshoot we have
C6 : why did you disable this? zero reason to
Global C : same as above; you are not gaining anything
HPET : no reason to disable this; you won't get much better speed/overclock with it off.

99.80 mhz Bclk = that's just how it is - only way to fix that is with a bclk board (taichi or whatever)

1.35 @ 4ghz - that would be a golden sample; 1.4-1.42 for 4ghz is more within normal

what I'm seeing with your overclock is your cooling is sup-par; and you are not using enough volts.
with 1.42 volts I hit 75C and I know I have airflow issues.
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How are you guys controlling fans on this board?

Im using H440 case and its built in hub, but it just stays at a constant 1900 rpm on the "standard" bios profile. I dont really mind as its quiet, but ideally id like it to go down to ~1000 at idle and ramp up to ~2500 at load.

I know i could just get a 3 way splitter and connect all my front fans to a header and control it with software, but just curious how you guys are doing it.
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How are you guys controlling fans on this board?

Im using H440 case and its built in hub, but it just stays at a constant 1900 rpm on the "standard" bios profile. I dont really mind as its quiet, but ideally id like it to go down to ~1000 at idle and ramp up to ~2500 at load.

I know i could just get a 3 way splitter and connect all my front fans to a header and control it with software, but just curious how you guys are doing it.

My fans are all connected to the motherboard and controlled by Speedfan, works great.

BTW Asrock changed memory support to 3200+ http://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/X370%20Killer%20SLI
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post #107 of 156
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Interesting. Any other setting worth mentoning? I've noticed soc voltage is set to 1.1V when selecting 3200 divider on 2.10 BIOS.

Will try your timings now. BTW did you try testing it with Intel Burn Test? Even with standard test it crashed for me at 14-14-14-14-34 1.35-145V
There must still be something, as with 2.0 I could barely use Windows. With 2.0 now after several days testing, with 14-14 OW sometimes crashed, Overwatch played nice with 16-14 latencys, no crashes on Windows eithert BUT I tried Battlefield 1 and it still crashes with 16 to 20 CL it keeps crashing, so looks like it still isn't 100% stable
post #108 of 156
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few items to point out :
boot training : there is no reason to have this off that I've been aware of
LLCs : I use level 3 - but i'm not sure what droop/overshoot we have
C6 : why did you disable this? zero reason to
Global C : same as above; you are not gaining anything
HPET : no reason to disable this; you won't get much better speed/overclock with it off.

99.80 mhz Bclk = that's just how it is - only way to fix that is with a bclk board (taichi or whatever)

1.35 @ 4ghz - that would be a golden sample; 1.4-1.42 for 4ghz is more within normal

what I'm seeing with your overclock is your cooling is sup-par; and you are not using enough volts.
with 1.42 volts I hit 75C and I know I have airflow issues.

what are you testing with? I got my 70c temp with prime95 small ffts 30 minutes.

First off, thanks for the response.
the last guide i used for my i5 3570k also advised disabling a "C" state (C1 and C5 and speedstep) from what i understand, disable these features keeps the motherboard from saving power and or clocking down the cpu making it unstable. Im just going off of what guides have shown me and what multiple sites say the same thing.

As far as the ryzen is concerned, i used this sites recommendations, ( http://player.mashpedia.com/player.php?q=52Tw-wcT7o4 ). As stated previously, AMD stated disabling HPET for manual overclocks increases performance by 5% - 8%. But HPET is needed for Ryzen Master overclock. how true this is, is yet to be determined. Im not sure what bases they are using to determine this? whether it be CBR15 or some other benchmark.

As far as my cooling: Noctua NH-U12se with a noctua nf-f12 iIPPC 2000 pwm fan (arctic mx-4 TP). the same cooler as used by joker (which he stated in his video he had a 3.9 @ 1.3v with full load temps of 57c. I find that highly unlikely. I'll have to run aida64 for one hour and see if my temps are the same. Im using prime95 thermal test (small ffts 30 minutes at 70c 3.9 @ 1.287v) As for the temp software im using hardware monitor 64. Im not totally satisfied that its giving me correct temps for two reasons.

1. it only shows correct voltages half the time, while cpuz show somewhat over volted than whats set in the bios, but is very close i.e. bios set to 1.275v, cpuz shows 1.280v.
2. it shows fan speeds under max, when i have them set to max in bios at at 65c degrees and above. im not sure if the bios fan speeds are correctly speeding up the fans or HWM isnt reading them right?

is there another temp software i should be using?

what software/cooler are you using?

So what youre saying is that i can have all those turned on with no stability issues. Just set multiplier and set voltage?

edit: tested aidia64 (cpu stress only) max temp 53c with a spike of 60c. Im not sure what caused the spike, i wasnt watching the whole 1 hour 30 minutes. Although while watching, it sat around 51c most of the time with small spikes to 52 - 53. 3.9 @ 1.287v. I bumped it up from 1.275v because i fell asleep yesterday with just a games login app running and when i came back it had rebooted to black screen and fans at max, meaning something failed. So im assuming joker was using cpu stress only on aidia64.

I got the noctua nh-u12se because it was highly recommended by others, not because joker had it for his test, but was nice to see those temps when he did test it with air.
Edited by Ikasamashi - 4/17/17 at 6:54pm
post #109 of 156
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First off, thanks for the response.
the last guide i used for my i5 3570k also advised disabling a "C" state (C1 and C5 and speedstep) from what i understand, disable these features keeps the motherboard from saving power and or clocking down the cpu making it unstable. Im just going off of what guides have shown me and what multiple sites say the same thing.

As far as the ryzen is concerned, i used this sites recommendations, ( http://player.mashpedia.com/player.php?q=52Tw-wcT7o4 ). As stated previously, AMD stated disabling HPET for manual overclocks increases performance by 5% - 8%. But HPET is needed for Ryzen Master overclock. how true this is, is yet to be determined. Im not sure what bases they are using to determine this? whether it be CBR15 or what.

As far as my cooling is the Noctua NH-U12se with a noctua nf-f12 iIPPC 2000 pwm fan. the same cooler as used by joker (which he stated in his video he had a 3.9 @ 1.3v with full load temps of 57c. I find that highly unlikely. I'll have to run aida64 for one hour and see if my temps are the same. Im using prime95 thermal test (small ffts 30 minutes at 70c 3.9 @ 1.287v) As for the temp software im using hardware monitor 64. Im not totally satisfied that its giving me correct temps for two reasons.

1. it only shows correct voltages half the time, while cpuz show somewhat over volted than whats set in the bios, but is very close i.e. bios set to 1.275v, cpuz shows 1.280v.
2. it shows fan speeds under max, when i have them set to max in bios at at 65c degrees and above. im not sure if the bios fan speeds are correctly speeding up the fans or HWM isnt reading them right?

is there another temp software i should be using?

what software/cooler are you using?

So what youre saying is that i can have all those turned on with no stability issues. Just set multiplier and set voltage?

i'll take this slow so I don't give bad info (I typed fast last time)

I have not seen on this forum - or personal experience where C-state disabling is required, I can understand if you are going for MAX BENCHMARKING where that logic comes from; but I have not seen "downclocking" to at all have an issue with max overclocks.

HPET is suggested to be turned off for "some sort" of performance increase; but it was required to be on for previous RM overclocking, newest version no longer has that requirement.
I have not seen, (haven't looked hard either) the performance delta for HPET; so I left it on, with no ill effects.

my cooling (right now) is a Noctua NH-D15s - single fan.(NF-A14 IIRC) - I use HWInfo64, HWMonitor and AIDA64 for monitoring temps - they are all approx the same for me. make sure you are running the correct (newest) versions. the only temps I have issue with are my VRMs, but was while I was pushing 1.42V.

on voltages and LLC : as tested by buildozer (not sure on the name)(Taichi review) you should only use LLC 4/5 - as they are the best ones (1 is crazy bad) for my 3.9ghz overclock - I set 3900 - and set offset voltages (2nd set of voltages near LLC) to 17500 - which translates to +.17500 of my base of 1.18750 @ top clocks. (1.3625 by math) which is shown properly here :


for fans - I use A-tuner with custom curves.

and as long as you are not trying to max out the OC for Benchmarking, then yes - you can "just set the multiplyer and voltage"

and - for ease of use (for quicker testing) i'd set LLCs to 5 - set everything else to on/auto - and overclock with Ryzen Master. it's been proven that it's as affective as bios; so
IMO it would be faster to use that to test - quick reboot; click click click your voltage and go. (then once dialed in; set in bios)
post #110 of 156
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With the 2.10 update Im running them at 3200 stable at:

16-14-14-14-34 1.40V
14-14-14-14-36 1.35V

If I use whatever other settings( I tried every possible combination, Overwatch , Black Desert etc games crashes

What sticks are you running? I'm about to return my current RAM since it BSOD's still at 2133, wanted to get something that I know works with this board.
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