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PSU seems to be fine! Thats a relief !
Waiting on the soundcard and floppy disk drive now.

Don, did you have any issues booting yours or did you have to install a lower frequency CPU to update the bios?
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i thought the 440 bx was jumper dependant, not bios, for cpu settings. speaking of which, be sure to set your cpu voltage umpers to the correct coppermine setting, 1.7 volts, i believe. the earlier pentium II chips used more like 2 volts, and default jumper settings will most likely reflect the pentium IIs for which the board was designed. nd the seped of your cpu, well, is it a 100 fsb cpu, or 133 fsb?

***edit*** some were jumper dependent, others bios dependent. and it depends on the version of the motherboard/bios whether the coppermine cpus are supported. On those, you will have to use an earlier cpu to flash bios, as using the coppermine would overvolt it pre-flash or during flash.
Edited by acheleg - 4/11/17 at 10:43am
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i thought the 440 bx was jumper dependant, not bios, for cpu settings. speaking of which, be sure to set your cpu voltage umpers to the correct coppermine setting, 1.7 volts, i believe. the earlier pentium II chips used more like 2 volts, and default jumper settings will most likely reflect the pentium IIs for which the board was designed. nd the seped of your cpu, well, is it a 100 fsb cpu, or 133 fsb?

***edit*** some were jumper dependent, others bios dependent. and it depends on the version of the motherboard/bios whether the coppermine cpus are supported. On those, you will have to use an earlier cpu to flash bios, as using the coppermine would overvolt it pre-flash or during flash.

Thanks! ill be sure to double check the default BIOS before i boot her up. Might get a cheap lower frequency P# while im waiting for everything else!
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PSU seems to be fine! Thats a relief !
Waiting on the soundcard and floppy disk drive now.

Don, did you have any issues booting yours or did you have to install a lower frequency CPU to update the bios?

Sorry I didn't see this I've been sick. Mine booted up no problems with the Coppermine 650 detected properly and rolling which according to the cpu upgrade chart here requires P14 or greater bios, that goes up to the 850mhz CPU. I'll check which bios version mine came with since I actually haven't bothered yet.

Edit: Shipped with bios version P16, so you'll be good to go.

The final revision for this board was P17 which supposedly added yet more CPU updates, nothing specific though. You can still grab that bios from Intel's website if you really wish.
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Production 17.0
• Banner changed to Production 17.0
• Correct ACPI reporting of ComB when set to IRDA mode
• Added processor updates

Edit: A new toy arrived today, Asus P5A + K6-2 333, fired right up no problems. $5 from goodwill smile.gif

Woot!




Edit again.. More goodies to help me with my project.. (Early - mid 90s tomes on DOS game programming in C).


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WOW. Nice pickups DON!
What are you upto today with it all?


I'm loving this nostalgic hunt, ive picked up some beauty big box games in the last month or so will post them up shortly.

Got some new babies in the post today, finally. I swear guys, this AWE64 GOLD card looks unused!

Ended up gettn a 2nd brand new Fury MAXX and a sealed WIN98 box to collect.


I should have it fired up very soon. Ended up purchsing a brand new SONY CDRW drive for new and period correct purposes.







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Wow that Awe64 gold is in beautiful shape. Makes generic green cards look like trash <3.. I want one! Alas I'm only able to make very cheap purchases now so I have to hunt for bargains from people who don't know what they have tongue.gif

I'm using those books to brush up my chops on writing games in C with assembly so I can make something nice that will run on a 486. Haven't exactly thought up much about the game itself yet but right now I'm just working on the games the books guide me through. I'm hoping something will spark my imagination from these books, I have a few more on the way from a thrift seller.
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One hint (but I dont think it will matters that much).

ISA cards consume 10% of cpu when used. I had to use SCSI adapter (drives, scanner) back in the day, and I was told to not do so, and remove it, and then I was given old, but good PCI SCSI adapter instead biggrin.gif.

What is interesting, SoundBlaster (and similar product) seem to have superior manufacturing quality. I have few Soundblasters 5.1 and they dont seem to age.
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I absolutely love it. Ive just replaced the ROG PG279Q with it via DVI using the 6700K/HD530.



has been fun reading this. fits our oldschool avatars wink.gif

perhaps you can find a crt for your pc. see, i play gzdoom in full 1440p glory on my acer xb270hu , but i remember the game looked grittier on the crt, perhaps because the better contrast, if the crt had that, i threw it away long ago.
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One hint (but I dont think it will matters that much).

ISA cards consume 10% of cpu when used. I had to use SCSI adapter (drives, scanner) back in the day, and I was told to not do so, and remove it, and then I was given old, but good PCI SCSI adapter instead biggrin.gif.

What is interesting, SoundBlaster (and similar product) seem to have superior manufacturing quality. I have few Soundblasters 5.1 and they dont seem to age.

Where did you get the 10% value from? You mean per individual card or from max load on the ISA bus?? ISA is quite CPU intensive on an older 386 or 486 systems and that's why things like EISA and MCA came around and eventually PCI but a pentium 3 isn't bothered by a single ISA sound card. Of course, the reason for getting the ISA slots was purely for sound blaster, worth the extra overhead biggrin.gif
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Where did you get the 10% value from? You mean per individual card or from max load on the ISA bus?? ISA is quite CPU intensive on an older 386 or 486 systems and that's why things like EISA and MCA came around and eventually PCI but a pentium 3 isn't bothered by a single ISA sound card. Of course, the reason for getting the ISA slots was purely for sound blaster, worth the extra overhead biggrin.gif

I had that info from a friend, and later confirmed it with CPU performance measuring when ISA card was out. Since I was running Pentium III-S Tualatin, the total performance gain was a lot,
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