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post #331 of 360
NTBS partitioning isnt good with DOS, methinks
*edit* ntfs
Edited by acheleg - 4/27/17 at 8:25am
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I thought me was the consumer version of 2kpro

From wikipediahttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_ME

WinME is from Win9x family. Microsof advertised it this way, but its way from being true.

Win2k is superior to it in every technical manner (basically core of XP, and can be used until today without major limitations which later affected 9x - no x86 support, no proper support for ram above 4gb).
post #333 of 360
win me comes with a version of DOS and runs on FAT partitions, like 9xx. 9xxx or ME also doesnt include SMP (multi-core/multi/cpu processing). 2000 and XP were derived form windows NT and were all designed to run optimally on NTFS and supported SMP (multi-processing). Windows ME saw a change in maximum FAT 32 partition size go up from 32 GB to 127 GB, but thats still nothing compared to multi-terabyte partitioning and the useful (against other windows users) file/folder permission/ownership features of NTFS.
Edited by acheleg - 4/27/17 at 8:33am
post #334 of 360
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Hi all, appologies for not updating in a while but i vowed to only boot her up once i have everything installed.
The last thing which will be here on Monday is the brand new SONY Floppy Disk Drive.

Picked up a brand new SONY CD/RW/ROM drive, but i'm thinking of keeping this new to collect and continue using the beige LG DVD combo drive already installed.

Also got the Slotkey in and some nice stickers that really make the case POP.

Installed the Quantum Fireball and the AWE 64 Gold. Cannot wait to boot this thing up!

I'm eagerly already anticipating my next build, the 486 smile.gif

Enjoy!



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i think you need to find a bigger case-

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Glorious!

I knew you would come to the dark side and build a 486 too biggrin.gif. Much fun it is!


BTW here is mine after a few weeks of heavy use (mainly just in dos mode testing out early project builds)... Not nearly as visually pleasing, case and power supply are leftover stuff from around 2009.. But I thought the full black setup was pleasing (minus the floppy, my black one kept erroring so I swapped it). You can see the nice half watt beep speaker parked under the dvd drive, she beeps real gooooood wink.gif.

Right now the only part I have coming in the mail for it is a PCI ethernet adapter.. Looking for a PCI card with a usb header to put the front panel to use.. Other than that she's rolling..

Oh, also need a lightbulb and shade for the lamp tongue.gif
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And hehe acheleg.. I can't believe that pic is still floating around hahahah
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those stickers on the front of the case came out nice! no usb headers on the mobo? pity...

ive never messed with 486-era hardware. my oldest build is socket 7. I actually had just bought a new copy of win 98 a few weeks before i caught on to this build log. Ive been testing lots of old hardware, socket 7, p II, P III, P4...
post #338 of 360
ok, a little tip about exiting to dos from windows 98? i tried command at the run command, and edit isnt showing the contents of config.sys. im also trying to remember what to edit to limit it from seeing the entire 4 gb of ram id like to have installed for dual booting, but dos edit isnt working, am i not running dos the correct way, or is hiding the protected files? i also cant find dosshell.
Edited by acheleg - 4/28/17 at 10:15pm
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Glorious!

I knew you would come to the dark side and build a 486 too biggrin.gif. Much fun it is!


BTW here is mine after a few weeks of heavy use (mainly just in dos mode testing out early project builds)... Not nearly as visually pleasing, case and power supply are leftover stuff from around 2009.. But I thought the full black setup was pleasing (minus the floppy, my black one kept erroring so I swapped it). You can see the nice half watt beep speaker parked under the dvd drive, she beeps real gooooood wink.gif.

Right now the only part I have coming in the mail for it is a PCI ethernet adapter.. Looking for a PCI card with a usb header to put the front panel to use.. Other than that she's rolling..

Oh, also need a lightbulb and shade for the lamp tongue.gif
Warning: Retro (Click to show)










And hehe acheleg.. I can't believe that pic is still floating around hahahah

Very nice build actually, have you been doing any DOS gaming?

Picked up these babies not so long ago, been looking for Prince of Persia and Street Rod for over 6 years!







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those stickers on the front of the case came out nice! no usb headers on the mobo? pity...

ive never messed with 486-era hardware. my oldest build is socket 7. I actually had just bought a new copy of win 98 a few weeks before i caught on to this build log. Ive been testing lots of old hardware, socket 7, p II, P III, P4...

486 is oldschool, going to be a mission finding old accessories i think. Cant wait.
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those stickers on the front of the case came out nice! no usb headers on the mobo? pity...

ive never messed with 486-era hardware. my oldest build is socket 7. I actually had just bought a new copy of win 98 a few weeks before i caught on to this build log. Ive been testing lots of old hardware, socket 7, p II, P III, P4...

Moving up to PCI bus era socket 7 (especially ATX) was very nice at the time because you really only needed to invest in a graphics card and sound card. 486 you'll need controller cards, but one major perk IMO is that you don't need any motherboard drivers since they were just blank slates with a standard AT keyboard input.

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ok, a little tip about exiting to dos from windows 98? i tried command at the run command, and edit isnt showing the contents of config.sys. im also trying to remember what to edit to limit it from seeing the entire 4 gb of ram id like to have installed for dual booting, but dos edit isnt working, am i not running dos the correct way, or is hiding the protected files? i also cant find dosshell.

I'm not sure I understand the question, are you trying to set it to always boot straight into MS-DOS mode? If so that's an easy edit in msdos.sys, open your command prompt (either by typing command in run, or start -> programs -> ms dos prompt.
type: cd C:\
make msdos.sys viewable and writable (it is a read only system file): attrib msdos.sys -r -a -s -h
(http://web.csulb.edu/~murdock/attrib.html attrib command explained here if you care)
->edit msdos.sys (assuming your edit program is working, it should be, if not you can edit it with notepad, see below to make system files view-able in explorer)
change BOOTGUI = 1 to BOOTGUI = 0.. save and reboot. Now it will always start in real dos mode and you'll have to type win to get to windows... this is how mine is set up.

As for limiting the RAM I can't remember off hand, but it shouldn't be seeing 4GB. it should only be seeing 512MB regardless of what the system has installed unless you installed the unofficial SP3.

As for config.sys, that is a system file. Typically through windows you would run sysedit to tweak your system files.
Click start --> run --> type sysedit and hit ok. You'll get the following:



OR open my computer, go to C:\, hit "View" -> Folder Options -> View, look under advanced settings for the Hidden Files folder and change it to show all files or do not show hidden files (you want to see system files). You can then open your .sys files with notepad.



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Very nice build actually, have you been doing any DOS gaming?

Picked up these babies not so long ago, been looking for Prince of Persia and Street Rod for over 6 years!

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486 is oldschool, going to be a mission finding old accessories i think. Cant wait.

Ahhhh man you have a nice collection, I see the PS1 gems there too smile.gif. I haven't been doing too much gaming, I beat Robin Hood: Conquests of the longbow (takes me about 20 minutes since I've beaten it so many times in my life) and episode 1 of Duke Nukem 3D biggrin.gif. I've been spending most of my time programming, that's what I really built it for.

It's not too hard to find what you need for a 486, you just have to be patient and find the right parts for the right price because people love to charge ridiculous prices for their socket 3 gear. I paid $30 after shipping for that board + 5x86 which is a bit much, you can get full 486 rigs in goodwills for that price if you look hard enough. There are TONS of choices for ISA graphics, even VLB.. Plus the staple cards that tend to be a little pricey. Just be patient, the most expensive part by far if you can't find a local sale is going to be an AT case and power supply. The most annoying part is making sure your controller card + drives are working and diagnosing which one is not working tongue.gif
Edited by Serious_Don - 4/29/17 at 9:26am
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