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https://videocardz.com/65406/exclusive-amd-vega-presentation
Hum, probably? Next Generation GPU Architecture.

amd-vega-19-20170105.jpg
Much in the same way that kepler was a "nex gen GPU architecture" as was maxwell. In that both are further modification and optimization of fermi.

GCN5 and vega NCU will be very similar. Yes, there will be many changes to the arch, but the odds of it being unrelated are next to 0. AMD doesnt have the money to do that. Even Intel doesnt have the money, they have been messing with the core arch since the pentium M, which was over 15 years ago.
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post #232 of 566
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Much in the same way that kepler was a "nex gen GPU architecture" as was maxwell. In that both are further modification and optimization of fermi.

GCN5 and vega NCU will be very similar. Yes, there will be many changes to the arch, but the odds of it being unrelated are next to 0. AMD doesnt have the money to do that. Even Intel doesnt have the money, they have been messing with the core arch since the pentium M, which was over 15 years ago.


I think the jump from Fermi to Kepler is complete overhaul


Fermi has a 512 cores and suddenly Kepler has a 1536 cores. Although the performance leap by only 25-30%. the clock for the 2 cards are also on complete different scale as well.
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I think the jump from Fermi to Kepler is complete overhaul


Fermi has a 512 cores and suddenly Kepler has a 1536 cores. Although the performance leap by only 25-30%. the clock for the 2 cards are also on complete different scale as well.
And how much of that came from the move from 40nm to 28nm, and the removal of compute units? Fermi was far better then kepler at compute, and those cores take up a lot of space.

The architecture was significantly different, but it was also still fermi at heart. It still had fermi designs behind it. VEGA will be similar, a significant evolution, but still GCN at heart.
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Seconded, if it doesn't surpass at least the 1080ti, it ain't an answer to those who want to upgrade from a 390. Or if it comes with a Fury X locked down AIO cooling solution. Sucks how Fury X was locked down to CLC, leaving those who wanted a Fury X to settle for a Fury which was cut down while Tis had the choice of aftermarket air cooling.rolleyes.gif

AIOs also increased the price somewhat. There are people who want Vega X performance without comprising on cut downs, especially if thier cases cannot support an AIO.

Absolutely.. I'd go even farther and say that if Vega isn't at least double the performance of the 1080ti, it's not worth upgrading for anyone with a 7870.

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The only way Vega won't be worth it is if it needs Nvidia drivers.
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post #236 of 566
I feel like vega is vegaware aka vaporware..


I am sad AMD. Is so far down the top end gpu side until they release something,......
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Well it's certainly not Vaporware since we haven't even reached the time when they said it would launch. Not launching as soon as you would like isn't the same as never launching. We are at the beginning of Q2 now, if we hit Q3 with no Vega then we can start complaining that it's late.
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I'm amazed at the amount of people that consider $500 cards to be "mid-range" cards.

Midrange cards are cards such as the RX 480 8GB and GTX 1060 6GB (or at the very least GTX 1050 Ti / RX 470). Or for earlier generations, cards such as the GTX 960 / GTX 760 / GTX 660Ti / GTX 560 Ti / GTX 460, R9 380 / R9 285 / HD 7870XT / HD 6870 / HD5850 would be mid-range.

The majority of the gaming market is $150-350 cards not $800+ GPUs.

i.e.

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Originally Posted by http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060 
With GeForce GTX 980-class desktop gaming performance that previously cost $549, unprecedented performance-per-Watt, VR performance that's up to 3x faster thanks to VRWorks, NVIDIA Ansel support, and everything else Pascal-architecture GPUs are capable of, the GeForce GTX 1060 redefines the definition of a "mid-range" graphics card.
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Originally Posted by http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/introducing-the-geforce-gtx-960 
Introducing The $199 GeForce GTX 960: High-End Performance & High-End Features On A Mid-Range GPU | GeForce

http://www.geforce.co.uk/whats-new/articles/introducing-the-geforce-gtx-760 titled "GeForce GTX 760: A Mid-Range GPU With High-End Features"
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The new GTX 660 we’re unveiling today is a mid-range GPU, offering a balance between performance and price, without sacrificing any of the features seen on the aforementioned cards

or non-Nvidia quotes,
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Originally Posted by http://www.techspot.com/review/1209-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060/ 
What we have is a $250 GTX 1060 ($300 for the Founders Edition) facing off against a $240 RX 480 8GB ($200 for the 4GB model) and this fight over the mid-range market should be great news for consumers.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 Review - Is it the New Mid-Range Champion?

As far as Vega goes,

If the new RX 580 Firestrike Extreme results are to believed, a card with 2x 1500Mhz RX 580 8GB performance would be just under a GTX Titan X pascal with no overclock while one with 2 x RX570 performance (i.e. 4096 shader) would be just over a GTX 1080. Don't expect much more or you're setting yourself up for disappointment if things don't pan out with whatever NCU optimizations, geometry pipeline changes, and primitive shaders they had been hawking.
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If its as fast a 1080 and they price it to compete with the 1070 it'll be fine.

Massive possible water cooled HBM2 equipped gpu to be sold at price of harvested 3xx mm^2 cheap as dirt GDDR5 card ?
post #240 of 566
I wish we could get a glimpse of the price range. Sure, performance makes for good discussion, but if the price isn't right it won't matter. Stuck with an overdue upgrade of a 560ti and I can't even tell if I should wait another unknown number of months for Vega, settle for Polaris, or go with overpriced Nvidia..
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