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post #251 of 566
You guys hating on the AIO need to cool your jets. The AIO on the fury-x is probably my favorite thing about fury-x. Why is it cool for nvidia to sell a 1200+ dollar gpu with an air cooling stock solution thats thermally limiting the card? While the Fury-x is a bad overclocker the AIO really keeps the gpu cool. I personally would like to see vega with an AIO. I'm not interested in buying waterblocks for a gpu anymore considering how fast they get outdated.(mainly nvidia side)

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Originally Posted by artemis2307 View Post

AMD Scott Wasson has just confirmed VEGA is AMD's return to the high-end market
now let's assume Full-VEGA is 1080ti level of performance, with 8GB HBM2, price will be at least 650, people will choose the 1080ti anyway
and if it's a 1080 OC level of performance, AMD will have to sell at a loss
this late, Vega is set to fail anyway

If it's 1080ti perf or better i will buy it, i am avoiding nvidia(for now) because of the crazy prices now and product cycles. Vega at that level will be a nice upgrade from my Furyx's.
Edited by dagget3450 - 4/7/17 at 9:52pm
post #252 of 566
I think AIO's offer tons of advantages over air-cooling in many ways including temps, packaging, and noise. The Fury X may have been disappointing in some ways but none of that is due to its AIO cooling solution.
post #253 of 566
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You guys hating on the AIO need to cool your jets. The AIO on the fury-x is probably my favorite thing about fury-x. Why is it cool for nvidia to sell a 1200+ dollar gpu with an air cooling stock solution thats thermally limiting the card? While the Fury-x is a bad overclocker the AIO really keeps the gpu cool. I personally would like to see vega with an AIO. I'm not interested in buying waterblocks for a gpu anymore considering how fast they get outdated.(mainly nvidia side)
If it's 1080ti perf or better i will buy it, i am avoiding nvidia(for now) because of the crazy prices now and product cycles. Vega at that level will be a nice upgrade from my Furyx's.

It speaks more about Vega if it needs an AIO to sufficiently cool it. And it was locked to an AIO only solution, unlike it's competitor, who allowed air cooling and custom waterblocks for it. You have to realize that not all people want an AIO only solution, either due to casing restrictions, or other circumstances. These very people who wanted an air cooled X had to settle for a cut down Fury.

I'm not saying drop the AIO, but make it an option, or make custom air cooling an option for the top end, not restrict it to an AIO option.
post #254 of 566
There are air coolers for dual hawaii chips so I doubt any AMD chip in the future really needs an AIO to function. Can't say the same for the FE cooler on 1080/1080TI that was more expensive and worse.

The majority of those who wanted air-cooled fijis bought the Fury or nano. Performance was well within 10% so not worth crying over and you can get waterblocks for all Fury models, including the nano, if you so wished.
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the fury X AIO is due to the additonal heat and delicacy of the HBM, maybe they need to keep the temps down to function properly
and FuryX/nano does have custom blocks, they are just not popular
and yeah maybe you will avoid NV this time but at the same price how many people will go for VEGA instead of a 11GB TITAN X?
Edited by artemis2307 - 4/7/17 at 11:24pm
post #256 of 566
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There are air coolers for dual hawaii chips so I doubt any AMD chip in the future really needs an AIO to function. Can't say the same for the FE cooler on 1080/1080TI that was more expensive and worse.

The majority of those who wanted air-cooled fijis bought the Fury or nano. Performance was well within 10% so not worth crying over and you can get waterblocks for all Fury models, including the nano, if you so wished.

10% is still 10% penalty for the kind of $ asked for. Not everyone wants to watercool or settle for something less or watercool thier cpus or have casing restrictions and settle for less performance. rolleyes.gif

Titans offered 100% performance out of the block, with air cooling, even if they were expensive as hell.
post #257 of 566

SO many magazine bench warmers in this thread :D

 

Historically AMD's Top of the line GPU offering tend to be within Nvidia's Ti series performance give or take at a greater value.  Then we see a gradual 'performance increase' in the AMD camp after a few drivers leaving Nvidia GPU's in the back.  Just goes to show that Nvidia optimizes from day one leaving AMD with a lot of room to grow over a period of time.

 

I'm actually expecting VEGA to be at or a little better than the GTX 1080Ti and improve over the next year.

 

I did find it amusing people were 'surprised' of the release of the full GP102 Titan XP "Black".  I remember the last time this happened when the Original Titan was replaced by the GTX780Ti for value performance followed by the Titan Black shortly after.  There seems to be a trend here....

 

As far as the AIO VS AIR.... it's all preference.  I prefer aftermarket waterblocks on my GPU's to pipe it into my loops.


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SO many magazine bench warmers in this thread biggrin.gif

Historically AMD's Top of the line GPU offering tend to be within Nvidia's Ti series performance give or take at a greater value.  Then we see a gradual 'performance increase' in the AMD camp after a few drivers leaving Nvidia GPU's in the back.  Just goes to show that Nvidia optimizes from day one leaving AMD with a lot of room to grow over a period of time.

I did find it amusing people were 'surprised' of the release of the full GP102 Titan XP "Black".  I remember the last time this happened when the Original Titan was replaced by the GTX780Ti for value performance followed by the Titan Black shortly after.  There seems to be a trend here....

As far as the AIO VS AIR.... it's all preference.  I prefer aftermarket waterblocks on my GPU's to pipe it into my loops.

It's not a preference at this point, AMD locked it down to only AIOs for the Fury X, forcing those who wanted an air cooled Fiji to accept a cut down 10% penalty for one, where the Titan ran out of the block with 100% performance.

Every % counts at least to me. i can't put in an AIO as there's no space in my casing.
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It's not a preference at this point, AMD locked it down to only AIOs for the Fury X, forcing those who wanted an air cooled Fiji to accept a cut down 10% penalty for one, where the Titan ran out of the block with 100% performance.

Every % counts at least to me. i can't put in an AIO as there's no space in my casing.

 

That's exactly why it's a preference.... You prefer maximized performance using an air cooled gpu to fit your chassis... You also pay a little more.

 

I don't have a chassis restriction, however I prefer the value performance AMD has to offer as well as their multi monitor support and options compared to Nvidia. I own Nvidia GPU's for other builds in my home as well.  (GTX 780Ti, 970, and 1070).  I have yet to own a single Titan GPU and been itching to pick up two of the Titan XP's to satiate that itch for instant power.

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That's exactly why it's a preference.... You prefer maximized performance using an air cooled gpu to fit your chassis... You also pay a little more.

I don't have a chassis restriction, however I prefer the value performance AMD has to offer as well as their multi monitor support and options compared to Nvidia. I own Nvidia GPU's for other builds in my home as well.  (GTX 780Ti, 970, and 1070).  I have yet to own a single Titan GPU and been itching to pick up two of the Titan XP's to satiate that itch for instant power.

It's not a preference when there's only one cooling option.. Titan offers an air cooled option or water cooled blocks, entirely up to the user to decide. AMD locked it down to only an AIO solution for a full Fury X.

Consumers who wish to choose an air cooled option for the Fury X, yet not sacrifice the performance penalty in doing so,do not have the option of doing that unlike Titan.mad.gif
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