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No amount of sugar coating will gloss over the fact that that wasnt a sound buisness decision. It should at least match a 1080Ti or at least slightly under it. Its been late to the party for more than a year and has been in development for longer.

How was it not a sound business decision?

What has releasing high-end first gotten?

Best business decision they ever made. Release products the masses will
post #302 of 566
High-end products are barely bought and doesn't make them much money. Of course, many of us here are willing to buy them, but what's a few thousand compared to hundreds of thousands all over the world? Selling one high-end GPU would equate to 500-1000 mid-range GPUs being sold. Mid-range cards will always make better margins and it was a decent strategy for AMD to come back to the market.

Even if Vega doesn't surpass 1080 performance, people will still want it for their Freesync monitors. That's one of the main reasons why I want to stick with AMD. Nvidia doesn't seem to have any problems shafting their highest paying customers and it's been getting worse every generation.
    
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No amount of sugar coating will gloss over the fact that that wasnt a sound buisness decision. It should at least match a 1080Ti or at least slightly under it. Its been late to the party for more than a year and has been in development for longer.



You are still going on about amd being late. You were wrong then and you're still wrong now. Was the RX460 DOA because of the 1050?
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Most likely the whole Vega stack is going to be just shy of the NVIDIA counterparts. I'm still not confident in this 14nm process. We will have to wait until the 500 series launches to see how much of an improvement there is over the 400 series. For example, if the 580 overclocks better than the 480; we can expect that whatever they are doing in the Fabs now will result in a better Vega product and instead of us being disappointed with the 400 series we might possibly see that what the 580 is, is what the 480 should have been.

Then as a result we can expect a Vega stack that competes directly with the 1070, 1080, and 1080 Ti, but until we see this revision of Polaris we can't make too many assumptions.
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High-end products are barely bought and doesn't make them much money. Of course, many of us here are willing to buy them, but what's a few thousand compared to hundreds of thousands all over the world? Selling one high-end GPU would equate to 500-1000 mid-range GPUs being sold. Mid-range cards will always make better margins and it was a decent strategy for AMD to come back to the market.

Even if Vega doesn't surpass 1080 performance, people will still want it for their Freesync monitors. That's one of the main reasons why I want to stick with AMD. Nvidia doesn't seem to have any problems shafting their highest paying customers and it's been getting worse every generation.

You don't want the fastest high end product purely for the sales but for the free publicity.

If you have the fastest high end product it messes with people's minds and makes them THINK that you probably have the fastest product in all tiers. All has to do with marketing smile.gif
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Most likely the whole Vega stack is going to be just shy of the NVIDIA counterparts. I'm still not confident in this 14nm process. We will have to wait until the 500 series launches to see how much of an improvement there is over the 400 series. For example, if the 580 overclocks better than the 480; we can expect that whatever they are doing in the Fabs now will result in a better Vega product and instead of us being disappointed with the 400 series we might possibly see that what the 580 is, is what the 480 should have been.

Then as a result we can expect a Vega stack that competes directly with the 1070, 1080, and 1080 Ti, but until we see this revision of Polaris we can't make too many assumptions.

NV has products at GloFo on the Samsung 14nm process, it clocks near identically to 16nm at TSMC. Polaris was based on Hawaii/Fiji, therefore it clocks similarly + 10-20% because of the process shrink.

14nm vs 16nm is a wash as far as clocks go.
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How was it not a sound business decision?

What has releasing high-end first gotten?

Best business decision they ever made. Release products the masses will

Gotten sales that would've probably gotten sales that would have gone towards 1080 and 1080Ti, assuming Vega does not match it? People turned to the 1080s and Tis as AMD had no high end performance GPUs then. That's sales lost. And it will be the same when Vega launches, assuming it doesnt match it. It has to be priced very cheaply for it to sell otherwise.

Releasing high end products first nets you sales, and marketing potential like someone above says. You make people think you have the strongest card in hand and that could apply to products down the stack. Look at the Titan and 1080Ti. They enhance Nvidia's strong marketing foundation and back that up with raw performance.
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Gotten sales that would've probably gotten sales that would have gone towards 1080 and 1080Ti, assuming Vega does not match it? People turned to the 1080s and Tis as AMD had no high end performance GPUs then. That's sales lost. And it will be the same when Vega launches, assuming it doesnt match it. It has to be priced very cheaply for it to sell otherwise.

Releasing high end products first nets you sales, and marketing potential like someone above says. You make people think you have the strongest card in hand and that could apply to products down the stack. Look at the Titan and 1080Ti. They enhance Nvidia's strong marketing foundation and back that up with raw performance.
Consumers are not as discerning as you try to make them out to be here, especially when it comes to luxurious things like graphics cards.
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Wrong. Vega is still AMD's flagship card for this generation, meant to compete with Pascal not Volta. They simply flipped their release schedule putting out the low/midrange cards first with Polaris and then hitting the higher end stuff with Vega. You can argue whether or not that was a sound business decision but Vega is absolutely a Pascal competitor and as such should not be expected to beat the 1080Ti outright considering the performance deficit they have to make up from last generation. I'd love to see it happen but it would be shocking if it did. Should be definitely faster than the 1080 but not quite at the 1080Ti level I'm guessing.

You forget about the radeon uprising trailer where AMD alludes that vega's competition is volta.

https://youtu.be/9R8F-aN6W4g

0:07

It makes zero sense to target perfwise a product that has been in the market for a full year already. Pascal is exactly that.
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You forget about the radeon uprising trailer where AMD alludes that vega's competition is volta.

https://youtu.be/9R8F-aN6W4g

0:07

It makes zero sense to target perfwise a product that has been in the market for a full year already. Pascal is exactly that.

After that they show a demo of DOOM with Vega running at ~70 fps on Vulkan. I find it very confusing that they mention Volta in that uprising trailer and a couple of days later they show DOOM running a bit faster than a 1080.





Or AMD could be sandbagging in the DOOM video.

Edited by Barca130 - 4/10/17 at 7:22am
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