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post #311 of 566
The thing that's bothering me is that Vulkan demo is the best case scenario.

What about all the other games not named Doom and not running Vulkan?

I get that marketing needs to show the best possible light for the product however.
post #312 of 566
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Originally Posted by black96ws6 View Post

The thing that's bothering me is that Vulkan demo is the best case scenario.

What about all the other games not named Doom and not running Vulkan?

I get that marketing needs to show the best possible light for the product however.

Worst case scenario it is barely faster than a 1080 in Dx11. Which i do not mind. I am not into payign $700 for a card.

1080 performance for $300? yes please
post #313 of 566
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Worst case scenario it is barely faster than a 1080 in Dx11. Which i do not mind. I am not into payign $700 for a card.

1080 performance for $300? yes please

No chance it'll be priced like that. You're forgetting HBM costs and new node. $500 at the min, which would put it at a 1080 category pricing.
post #314 of 566
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Are you crazy? the GTX 1080 has been lowered too $500 USD. Please try to go around online shop to see.
I'm not saying the 1080 costs $550, I'm saying I'd be willing to pay $550 for 1080 level of performance to keep freesync. Even if a 1080 can be had for $450, ECT.
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If amd wanted to bring 1080 perf with almost 500mm² die they would have done last year...rolleyes.gif

people seriously think amd will only match a 1080 with an almost 500mm² die? come on...
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Originally Posted by KarathKasun View Post

NV has products at GloFo on the Samsung 14nm process, it clocks near identically to 16nm at TSMC..

Which products..? Because as we see with RyZen it's overclocking is lackluster, and that is similar to what we saw with Polaris. So I do not see how you can claim that 14nm vs 16nm is meaningless when comparing clockspeeds.

It's almost as if you forgot about last year completely.
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post #317 of 566
I feel like the Volta reference in the Uprising teaser was just to mess with Nvidia. Pulling something new to blow past the 1080Ti out of nowhere doesn't seem warranted. Although, given how much Ryzen surprised everyone and the lack of any real leaks, there's always a possibility.
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You don't want the fastest high end product purely for the sales but for the free publicity.

If you have the fastest high end product it messes with people's minds and makes them THINK that you probably have the fastest product in all tiers. All has to do with marketing smile.gif

That's the kind of thinking that made Nvidia raise prices and people bought into it. Most consumers are smarter than that, but it definitely works on impulsive buyers.

It's like saying the M-series from BMW or AMG line from Mercedes is what gets people to buy their regular cars, it simply doesn't. I drive a Subaru WRX, but it doesn't mean people who drive regular Imprezas are going to think their cars are fast. Most people buy a Subaru for the symmetrical AWD and safety features, not because of the WRXs or STIs on the road.
    
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No amount of sugar coating will gloss over the fact that that wasnt a sound buisness decision. It should at least match a 1080Ti or at least slightly under it. Its been late to the party for more than a year and has been in development for longer.

It was a sound business decision given the resources, the risk and return on investment.

AMD poured all it's resources into CPU development over the last 3 years and this has shown in AMD very slow release schedule after the 7970/7870/7770 burst. AMD has outright said it focused everything into CPUs. The reason is AMD future had much more riding on ryzen. GPU's are a drop in the bucket, atleast at AMD's current level. Thus releasing another GPU design on top of what they did release likely would have lead to another delay with ryzen. A big mistake for AMD given the disastrous CPU division and lack of sales from it. Ryzen needed to come out ASAP for AMD to have a future.

This meant GPU's got very small budget and hence why AMD had to release only a couple GPU's it had no money for more as far as cash flow. This meant AMD had to direct its limited resources and had to pick some of the marketplace. The thing was, AMD was pissing off the OEM market,laptop market and mainstream market for basically only releasing rebrands. Cape verde was being rebranded a third time. No way they could do it a forth time. Also Tonga was a big let down and needed to replaced asap. It was too big of a die for the performance, particularly compared to the similarly sized gtx 970/980.

So what AMD did was released products that could get as much marketshare as possible while addressing the OEM and laptop market. In addition, AMD likely thought its original fury and fury X would still be sellable since it was only a year old.

In hindsight given Polaris performance per watt, die size and clock limitations, a high end polaris design would have been a failure because of bottlenecks and the shear die size of the chip would make it so that even a double sized polaris would have a tough time vs the 1080. A double sized polaris would likely clock at 1100-1150mhz and given the bottleneck of AMD's ROPs and the gtx 1080 would likely be tied.

Given the 1080 power consumption and die size, this would have been an engineering disaster for AMD where Nvidia could price their product in a manner to make sure AMD lost money or just didn't sell much cards.

Not only that, where AMD decided to attack was Nvidia's gx106 range. This has been Nvidia's weakest range because of the odd compromise between shaders and memory bus.

Thus given the resources, R and D and return on investment, low end and mainstream made more sense.
Edited by tajoh111 - 4/10/17 at 11:51am
post #319 of 566
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No chance it'll be priced like that. You're forgetting HBM costs and new node. $500 at the min, which would put it at a 1080 category pricing.

How much does HBM cost compared to GDDR?

I am not sure, but do not confuse new tech with cost. It often does not cost anymore and higher cost is implied.

AMD is accepting lower profits to get market share. So I do not see this costing $500.

$449 the most.

I was right about Ryzen. Lets see about Vega smile.gif
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After that they show a demo of DOOM with Vega running at ~70 fps on Vulkan. I find it very confusing that they mention Volta in that uprising trailer and a couple of days later they show DOOM running a bit faster than a 1080.





Or AMD could be sandbagging in the DOOM video.

They were (iirc) reportedly using modified fury drivers in that test, which alone could explain the low performance. On top of that the card was in pre production state, probably only slightly more polished than a prototype. Clocks must have been low, we are talking 5-6 months before launch here.
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