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Here is a article about g5x vs hbm

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.techpowerup.com/217027/gddr5x-puts-up-a-fight-against-hbm-amd-and-nvidia-mulling-implementations%3Famp

"When mass-produced by companies like Micron, GDDR5X is touted to be extremely cost-effective compared to upcoming HBM standards, such as HBM2. According to a Golem.de report, both AMD and NVIDIA are mulling GPUs that support GDDR5X, so it's likely that the two could reserve expensive HBM2 solutions for only their most premium GPUs, and implement GDDR5X on their mainstream/performance solutions, to keep costs competitive."
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You are not getting the point, they originally design the pascal to be using the hbm, but scraped the idea off and redesign instead to use gddr5x

And what does that prove?

AMD has been selling fury's for under $300 with HBM. So let Nvidia milk ddr5 and ddr5x while we make excuses.

It's a point of making less profit. HBM does not make a card worth $1000.
Edited by budgetgamer120 - 4/10/17 at 10:45pm
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AMD has stated that Vega is "disruptive" gpu, disruptive tech.
It won't be a regular 5% above or below Pascal, and 10% less price. There's more than that.
Just saying.
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And what does that prove?

AMD has been selling fury's for under $300 with HBM. So let Nvidia milk ddr5 and ddr5x while we make excuses.

It's a point of making less profit. HBM does not make a card worth $1000.
Wrong. Factually wrong. It retailed for $650 brand new for the X and 550 for the cut down air. We can expect prices close to that point again when Vega dropped.
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I'm sure a lot people bought Fury with niche hbm for under $300.

No way it was at 300. It was 650 brand new and it will be the same story for Vega. HBM is still a niche unique to AMD and will cost more to implement than GDDR5.
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What irks me is that by the time HBM becomes affordable to the masses, NVIDIA will have it on all their offerings and AMD's advantage will vanish frown.gif.
 
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Wrong. Factually wrong. It retailed for $650 brand new for the X and 550 for the cut down air. We can expect prices close to that point again when Vega dropped.

I don't think he was refering to MSRP or initial launch prices.

Furies have been selling for sub-300 dollars for some time. I bought one two weeks ago for $255, new, before rebate.
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What irks me is that by the time HBM becomes affordable to the masses, NVIDIA will have it on all their offerings and AMD's advantage will vanish frown.gif.

HBM's advantages are pretty slim on current hardware.

I can underclock the HBM on my Fury, to the point my R9 290Xes have similar bandwidth, and barely lose any performance in most games.

The only advantage AMD was ever going to get out of it, in terms of tech and competitiveness, was a head start on understanding how to impliment it, and the ability to release Fiji parts, which would have been too power hungry otherwise (still are, but knocking 30-40w off board power at least made it viable).
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I don't think he was refering to MSRP or initial launch prices.

Furies have been selling for sub-300 dollars for some time. I bought one two weeks ago for $255, new, before rebate.
HBM's advantages are pretty slim on current hardware.

I can underclock the HBM on my Fury, to the point my R9 290Xes have similar bandwidth, and barely lose any performance in most games.

The only advantage AMD was ever going to get out of it, in terms of tech and competitiveness, was a head start on understanding how to impliment it, and the ability to release Fiji parts, which would have been too power hungry otherwise (still are, but knocking 30-40w off board power at least made it viable).

HBM still has multiple advantages:
- Lower Consumption
- Lower area on board
- More memory doesn't need new card design.

Yes, in terms of raw power, it's not incredible, but please do remember gddr5X didn't exist before HBM. It was created as a counter-attack.

BTW, if I do remember correctly, GDDR5X consumes more than GDDR5.
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I don't think he was refering to MSRP or initial launch prices.

Furies have been selling for sub-300 dollars for some time. I bought one two weeks ago for $255, new, before rebate.
HBM's advantages are pretty slim on current hardware.

I can underclock the HBM on my Fury, to the point my R9 290Xes have similar bandwidth, and barely lose any performance in most games.

The only advantage AMD was ever going to get out of it, in terms of tech and competitiveness, was a head start on understanding how to impliment it, and the ability to release Fiji parts, which would have been too power hungry otherwise (still are, but knocking 30-40w off board power at least made it viable).

Well, using cut down prices to compare against launch(or relaunch in the case of a rebranded 1080s)is skewed. It's like saying oh the 780 is good value against the 1080 because it's now cheap but it doesn't offer any competition to the 1080 except for its price point. I was talking about the brand new MSRP of Fury against Vega/1080.

HBM will spike the prices, no doubt about it. It's a niche product still and with a new revision of a still brand new and yet unadopted tech and process node in place. No way top Vega goes for less than 650.
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Originally Posted by renx View Post

AMD has stated that Vega is "disruptive" gpu, disruptive tech.
It won't be a regular 5% above or below Pascal, and 10% less price. There's more than that.
Just saying.
Yeah reading the details about Microsoft's Xbox Scorpio gave me hope for Vega.
From what I've understand Microsoft targeted 11 optimisations at the silicon level. It does seem like the GPU found in the new Xbox was specifically optimized for Directx 12 and we all know that DX12 is the future.
AMD's relation with Microsoft and Sony has to start to pay off with Vega. If they corrected most of the architectural weaknesses GCN had and also incorporated all the optimisations and things Microsoft and Sony care about we might have a big winner. A GPU that is not only fast but future proof, maybe AMD's most future proof GPU to date.
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