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Will likely be launched at Computex, and availability towards end of June. And will in some cases beat a 1080 GTX, but not 1080 Ti. I think that sums it up.
post #342 of 566
People are really setting themselves up for disappointment with Vega.

By it's design it's clear AMD had one eye on other markets aside from gaming, like high performance computing (such as Deep Learning). This is an area where Google, M$ and virtually all the major internet companies are spending billions each year to make a breakthrough within the field of A.I, for example. This research and applications for it require GPU acceleration and that is a far more lucrative market for AMD there than hardcore gamers. The advantage AMD has over Nvidia in this field is to leverage their HSA instead of separate GPU and CPU in Nvidia's case (using NV Link).

People keep repeating the top Vega will be faster than the 1080 Ti but you have to ask yourself, what evidence is there of that, really? Even if all the numbers stack up in favour of the Vega in terms of Tflops and core count, actual gaming performance will favour the 1080 Ti.
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Yeah reading the details about Microsoft's Xbox Scorpio gave me hope for Vega.
From what I've understand Microsoft targeted 11 optimisations at the silicon level. It does seem like the GPU found in the new Xbox was specifically optimized for Directx 12 and we all know that DX12 is the future.
AMD's relation with Microsoft and Sony has to start to pay off with Vega. If they corrected most of the architectural weaknesses GCN had and also incorporated all the optimisations and things Microsoft and Sony care about we might have a big winner. A GPU that is not only fast but future proof, maybe AMD's most future proof GPU to date

 

I wouldn't hype it up that much. The only major Scorpio change was implementing more DX12 in the command processor to cut overhead. The "custom GCN" is probably Polaris 20. Vega is supposed to be a new arch.

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No way it was at 300. It was 650 brand new and it will be the same story for Vega. HBM is still a niche unique to AMD and will cost more to implement than GDDR5.

Newegg was selling it brand new for $276.

And FuryX brand new for $399. HBM is so expensive...
Do some research.
Edited by budgetgamer120 - 4/11/17 at 5:21am
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Newegg was selling it brand new for $276.

And FuryX brand new for $399. HBM is so expensive...
Do some research.

You're comparing apples to oranges, grasping at straws much? It's cut price, a year after launch. Try launch MSRP for Fury X, which should be the correct comparison for the reasons i outlined in my previous post.

Fury X launched at $650, Fury at $550. These are the prices that we'll probably see for Vega at launch, and overpriced if it does only compete with a 1080 because of the HBM.
Edited by Nickyvida - 4/11/17 at 5:27am
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Vega using a HBM will be above $500, that is my safe bet.


Stop setting yourself for disappointment. The Fury, Fury Nano & Fury X wasnt released at <$500 so I wouldnt expect Vega to.
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Vega using a HBM will be above $500, that is my safe bet.


Stop setting yourself for disappointment. The Fury, Fury Nano & Fury X wasnt released at <$500 so I wouldnt expect Vega to.

Yeah, it's not going to beat the 1080Ti nor fall below $550 for pricing, that's for certain. I mean, the Top Fury X launched at $650.


Budgetgamer doesn't get it still.rolleyes.gif
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Yeah, it's not going to beat the 1080Ti nor fall below $550 for pricing, that's for certain.


.Budgetgamer doesn't get it still.rolleyes.gif

There is a chance Vega 11 will be using G5X and compete against 1070s, that is the highest probable chance we will see the card retailing at $300 - 400 at launch.
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You're comparing apples to oranges, grasping at straws much? It's cut price. Try launch MSRP for Fury X, which should be the correct comparison for the reasons i outlined in my previous post.

Fury X launched at $650, Fury at $550. These are the prices we will be expecting at launch, and overpriced if it does only compete with a 1080 because of the HBM.

If HBM was so expensive how can they sell the card so cheap? Margins... Accept less money to move the product.

Like I said stuff are priced to what people will pay. If Fury series sold well the price wouldn't be so low. Just goes to show how much profit are in these things.

No price comparisons on the net anywhere HBM vs GDDR, just people guessing. If you will pay hundreds more for a card with HBM then they will price it like that. Like every ram before it im willing to bet it's a few dollars per GB. Only price I was able to find was ps4 gddr5.

$80-$105 for the 8GB. That's $13.50 max per GB. http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=514688

Even if HBM is $20 per gigabyte which I highly doubt. That's $160 for 8GB. Plus with HBM the card is cheaper in other areas, like no trace on board, no vrm on for ram etc.

AMD cannot release a $650 card and expect it to sell well. It is clear they know that based on Ryzens price and performance.
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Even if HBM is $20 per gigabyte which I highly doubt. That's $160 for 8GB. Plus with HBM the card is cheaper in other areas, like no trace on board, no vrm on for ram etc.

AMD cannot release a $650 card and expect it to sell well. It is clear they know that based on Ryzens price and performance.

You just shot yourself on your foot when you forget that Fury X was released at $650 despite being later and SLOWER than 980 Ti, where the latter is also priced at $650.


Oh yes, did I need to remind you they did that 2 years ago? they release a $650 card and it didnt sell well. That didnt stop them from dropping their price. The nano came out later and STILL priced at a horrendous $650.
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