Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles › [Videocardz] AMD Vega with 64 Compute Units spotted
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[Videocardz] AMD Vega with 64 Compute Units spotted - Page 37

post #361 of 566
Quote:
Originally Posted by budgetgamer120 View Post

If HBM was so expensive how can they sell the card so cheap? Margins... Accept less money to move the product.

Like I said stuff are priced to what people will pay. If Fury series sold well the price wouldn't be so low. Just goes to show how much profit are in these things.

No price comparisons on the net anywhere HBM vs GDDR, just people guessing. If you will pay hundreds more for a card with HBM then they will price it like that. Like every ram before it im willing to bet it's a few dollars per GB. Only price I was able to find was ps4 gddr5.

$80-$105 for the 8GB. That's $13.50 max per GB. http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=514688

Even if HBM is $20 per gigabyte which I highly doubt. That's $160 for 8GB. Plus with HBM the card is cheaper in other areas, like no trace on board, no vrm on for ram etc.

AMD cannot release a $650 card and expect it to sell well. It is clear they know that based on Ryzens price and performance.


It's called depreciation. Fury X wasn't worth what it was when it was new over time, and that goes for the performance too. When 1080 hit, it totally made it irrelevant hence the price tag of 399 after 2 years. but when it was new it was expensive @ $650 because of the HBM.

New HBM(and product) will always cost more. rolleyes.gif You simply dont get it even after others try to tell you the same thing
post #362 of 566
HBM wasnt why it cost so much...the fact that it was "new tech" and "top tier" was why it cost so much.thumb.gif
they were hoping the enthusiasts would flock to them to buy it. BACKFIRED biggrin.gif
It is still a decent card...just not the greatest...it shouldnt have been tagged with that price, but it was.

I really wish AMD would get their act together. I dont hate them, I dont love them. We need markets to stabilize. They do hvae consoles on lock since say, 2006?
Edited by stephenn82 - 4/11/17 at 7:45am
Cubic Beast
(13 items)
 
Dakine Server
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 6700k Asus Maximus VIII Hero MSI R9 390 Gaming 8GB Corsair Vengeance LED 16GB  
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung 950 Pro 256GB Corsair H115i Windows 10 Acer G257Hu  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cooler Master Quickfire Pro Corsair AX860 Corsair Carbide Series Air 740 Corsair M65 Pro RGB 
Audio
stock Realtek AC1150 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
pentium g3220 MSI H81M‑P33  XFX HD 7870 Gigahertz edition G.skill DDR3 1333 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
patriot blaze Western Digital asus 24x dvd burner Intel 775 cooler 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
windows 10 pro acer 19 cheapy antec earthwatts 430 
  hide details  
Reply
Cubic Beast
(13 items)
 
Dakine Server
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 6700k Asus Maximus VIII Hero MSI R9 390 Gaming 8GB Corsair Vengeance LED 16GB  
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung 950 Pro 256GB Corsair H115i Windows 10 Acer G257Hu  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cooler Master Quickfire Pro Corsair AX860 Corsair Carbide Series Air 740 Corsair M65 Pro RGB 
Audio
stock Realtek AC1150 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
pentium g3220 MSI H81M‑P33  XFX HD 7870 Gigahertz edition G.skill DDR3 1333 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
patriot blaze Western Digital asus 24x dvd burner Intel 775 cooler 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
windows 10 pro acer 19 cheapy antec earthwatts 430 
  hide details  
Reply
post #363 of 566
Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenn82 View Post

HBM wasnt why it cost so much...the fact that it was "new" and "top tier" was why it cost so much.thumb.gif
It is still a decent card...just not the greatest...it shouldnt have been tagged with that price, but it was.

Exactly what I am trying to say. thumb.gif
post #364 of 566
Quote:
Originally Posted by budgetgamer120 View Post

Exactly what I am trying to say. thumb.gif


Except what you're trying to say is factually wrong amongst all the other things gutslayer and i have tried to tell you.

Yes, it was new and top tier. All these three factors did make up the price, but the HBM was the biggest contributing factor. Do you think new tech doesn't cost money? It's hard to make, production was low at that time and still is, and is still a niche product outside of AMD. Virtually no one uses it yet.
post #365 of 566
You can raise a product's price to arbitrary values much like the price of the 1080 GTX; they are selling a 300mm^2 die for massive profits. See also intel with its 8 core line.

Generally you can not lower a products price below its manufacturing/dev costs.. exceptions are:
- you're pushing for penetration for future profits (see consoles, see cell phones from service providers).
- you're liquidating stock on a discontinued product and trying to recoup loss.

If AMD could have slashed the price on the Fury line to make them more competitive they would have.

This is about math, not about some marketing department trying to price gauge its clients with the fury brand.
Edited by Lee Patekar - 4/11/17 at 8:12am
post #366 of 566
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickyvida View Post

Except what you're trying to say is factually wrong amongst all the other things gutslayer and i have tried to tell you.

Yes, it was new and top tier. All these three factors did make up the price, but the HBM was the biggest contributing factor. Do you think new tech doesn't cost money? It's hard to make, production was low at that time and still is, and is still a niche product outside of AMD. Virtually no one uses it yet.

how much does an iPhone actually cost to produce? But every tom dick and harry wants one...right? I dont...but they sell it for ungodly amounts over production cost.

You think Samsung, Hynix, and others involved would really work on something that is such a high cost? They mass produce it. Getting it to play how AMD wants is the problem. I really dont think stacked RAM is high cost. They are already working on HBM3. An even lower cost offering.
Cubic Beast
(13 items)
 
Dakine Server
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 6700k Asus Maximus VIII Hero MSI R9 390 Gaming 8GB Corsair Vengeance LED 16GB  
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung 950 Pro 256GB Corsair H115i Windows 10 Acer G257Hu  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cooler Master Quickfire Pro Corsair AX860 Corsair Carbide Series Air 740 Corsair M65 Pro RGB 
Audio
stock Realtek AC1150 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
pentium g3220 MSI H81M‑P33  XFX HD 7870 Gigahertz edition G.skill DDR3 1333 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
patriot blaze Western Digital asus 24x dvd burner Intel 775 cooler 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
windows 10 pro acer 19 cheapy antec earthwatts 430 
  hide details  
Reply
Cubic Beast
(13 items)
 
Dakine Server
(9 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 6700k Asus Maximus VIII Hero MSI R9 390 Gaming 8GB Corsair Vengeance LED 16GB  
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung 950 Pro 256GB Corsair H115i Windows 10 Acer G257Hu  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Cooler Master Quickfire Pro Corsair AX860 Corsair Carbide Series Air 740 Corsair M65 Pro RGB 
Audio
stock Realtek AC1150 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
pentium g3220 MSI H81M‑P33  XFX HD 7870 Gigahertz edition G.skill DDR3 1333 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
patriot blaze Western Digital asus 24x dvd burner Intel 775 cooler 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
windows 10 pro acer 19 cheapy antec earthwatts 430 
  hide details  
Reply
post #367 of 566
Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenn82 View Post

how much does an iPhone actually cost to produce? But every tom dick and harry wants one...right? I dont...but they sell it for ungodly amounts over production cost.

You think Samsung, Hynix, and others involved would really work on something that is such a high cost? They mass produce it. Getting it to play how AMD wants is the problem. I really dont think stacked RAM is high cost. They are already working on HBM3. An even lower cost offering.

"Despite first- and second-generation High Bandwidth Memory having made few appearances in shipping products, Samsung and Hynix are already working on a followup: HBM3. Teased at the Hot Chips symposium in Cupertino, Calfornia, HBM3 will offer improved density, bandwidth, and power efficiency. Perhaps most importantly though, given the high cost of HBM1 and HBM2, HBM3 will be cheaper to produce."

from https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/08/hbm3-details-price-bandwidth/

Compare the iphone to the 1080GTX, both are overpriced.
post #368 of 566
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickyvida View Post

Except what you're trying to say is factually wrong amongst all the other things gutslayer and i have tried to tell you.

Yes, it was new and top tier. All these three factors did make up the price, but the HBM was the biggest contributing factor. Do you think new tech doesn't cost money? It's hard to make, production was low at that time and still is, and is still a niche product outside of AMD. Virtually no one uses it yet.

I am glad consumer do not have this mind set. We all would be screwed at this point lachen.gif
post #369 of 566
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuivamaa View Post

They were (iirc) reportedly using modified fury drivers in that test, which alone could explain the low performance. On top of that the card was in pre production state, probably only slightly more polished than a prototype. Clocks must have been low, we are talking 5-6 months before launch here.
I really hope so, because im looking forward to having a Ryzen+Vega Build.
post #370 of 566
Vega is launching around the same time as PREY which is in early may so we should be getting more leaks on performance soonish.
Gaming Rig
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5-4670K Asrock Z87 Extreme6 Powercolor RX 480 G-skill Ripjaws x-series  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Adata SPG 900X adata 120GB Antec H2O 620 Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
MG279Q 27inch free sync CM Storm quickfire Seasonic 650W Fractal Design R5 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G502 ZERO Sennheiser PC-363D 
  hide details  
Reply
Gaming Rig
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5-4670K Asrock Z87 Extreme6 Powercolor RX 480 G-skill Ripjaws x-series  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Adata SPG 900X adata 120GB Antec H2O 620 Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
MG279Q 27inch free sync CM Storm quickfire Seasonic 650W Fractal Design R5 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G502 ZERO Sennheiser PC-363D 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles › [Videocardz] AMD Vega with 64 Compute Units spotted