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How can you say there wasn't any R & D done on Pascal?

Try actually reading and understanding what others type. He said "little to no R/D"
post #492 of 566
there wont be any consumer volta that will beat an 1080ti until next year april.
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That statement makes no sense. They can release a single card that beats all three, they don't need to topple them individually. The real question on everyone's lips is where will Vega place itself?



Lol that is some good BS that is pulled out right somewhere.


Show me a card in AMD / ATi history that suddenly increase performance by over 100%within the same generation. They cant even beat Titan X maxwell and their own flagship as of now.



compare the performance of mid-range and flagship from any ATi/AMD generation and wake me up if they are as far apart as 100% or more. thumb.gif


And assuming they can do a 90-100% stunt. That is only 15-20% faster than TXP. It is still not proven to be faster than upcoming Volta which can be faster than TXP by that amount.
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there wont be any consumer volta that will beat an 1080ti until next year april.
I beg to differ. So far nvidia has been milking with mid range cards based on new architecture, which are slightly faster than last gen top cards. After that comes bigger and faster cards.

And why not? That way they have been able to assure those massive operation income to their stock investors.
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Dude, can you even read? You go on a tirade talking about gradually more expensive cards when 580 3GB, 7970 and 290X all launched at the same price. Just stop.

The only people who tried to compare to justify the price increase of the 7970 were AMD fanboys, particularly the old 3gb excuse. Since there was no 7970 cheaper than the standard gtx 580, it was more expensive.

But even more so, you have to understand the market dynamics. Your completely ignoring this and think there is no consequences for the 7970 pricing higher than the gtx 580, even the 3gb no one bought. More specifically you think the 7970 and gtx 580 operate in an absolute bubble where things like brand value, competition and timing don't matter. They do and this why the 7970 was priced badly. Need proof.

You don't need to look far and simply have to look at the absolute failure in sales and losses in marketshare for AMD when 7970 was priced at $550 and the 7870 was $350.


There is no getting around it, AMD priced too high for being a midsized chip that didn't really blow the competition out of the water while being the brand name associated with value.

The 290x pricing was priced right at $550 because the competition cards were already shown and priced more expensive. Compared to the $650 Nvidia was charging, the $550 price played into AMD strength that being the brand with better price to performance.

Like it or not, AMD and Nvidia cannot operate on the same pricing principles, the sooner you understand this, the sooner you will realize your original rational is wrong.
Edited by tajoh111 - 4/21/17 at 9:20pm
post #496 of 566
so... anything new about Vega? like lineup and price announcements or something something... something?
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so... anything new about Vega? like lineup and price announcements or something something... something?

If there were any official news, you can bet it will be all over the forum. Since you have to ask, it's safe to assume there isn't. frown.gif If there aren't any delays, the release should be within the next month to month and a half, so it's not too long of a wait.
    
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Lol that is some good BS that is pulled out right somewhere.


Show me a card in AMD / ATi history that suddenly increase performance by over 100%within the same generation. They cant even beat Titan X maxwell and their own flagship as of now.



compare the performance of mid-range and flagship from any ATi/AMD generation and wake me up if they are as far apart as 100% or more. thumb.gif


And assuming they can do a 90-100% stunt. That is only 15-20% faster than TXP. It is still not proven to be faster than upcoming Volta which can be faster than TXP by that amount.

4870 and 5870 are within "90-100%" stunt territory, are they not?

Also important to note that Nvidia will most likely *not* release the Volta titan for at least 6 months after the 2080 (my guess is a full year from now) so that they can milk volta for all it's worth.

12nm process will give Nvidia a good 10-15% performance boost, although no one knows how much faster Volta will be from an architectural standpoint. GloFlo really know what they're doing, AMD needs to void their contract and switch back.... This is extremely apparent when we all found out that the Xbox Scorpio with 16nm process is capable of almost 1200mhz on a console form-factor, that shows me that if Vega was on 16nm it could easily hit 16000Mhz stock- because it's not, we'll probably see more like 1400mhz.
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4870 and 5870 are within "90-100%" stunt territory, are they not?

Also important to note that Nvidia will most likely *not* release the Volta titan for at least 6 months after the 2080 (my guess is a full year from now) so that they can milk volta for all it's worth.

12nm process will give Nvidia a good 10-15% performance boost, although no one knows how much faster Volta will be from an architectural standpoint. GloFlo really know what they're doing, AMD needs to void their contract and switch back.... This is extremely apparent when we all found out that the Xbox Scorpio with 16nm process is capable of almost 1200mhz on a console form-factor, that shows me that if Vega was on 16nm it could easily hit 16000Mhz stock- because it's not, we'll probably see more like 1400mhz.

dont forget 9700/9800 series
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Leaked Vega teaser.

https://streamable.com/4iyfi
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