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If Nvidia pushed a 2100mhz gtx 1060, called it a 2060 and it had 8 percent better performance than a gtx 1060, but had the power consumption of a gtx 1080 ti, most of the press would be confused, Nvidia would be laughed at, and most people would be questioning why would they release such a card.

I'm not really sure which I like more, rebranding or multiple iterations of the same named product. With the introduction of the 1060 9Gbps model we are looking at 3 1060 models that have 3 levels of performance.
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I'm not really sure which I like more, rebranding or multiple iterations of the same named product. With the introduction of the 1060 9Gbps model we are looking at 3 1060 models that have 3 levels of performance.

Keeping the same name makes it hard for people to tell if they are getting the updated product, but giving it a new name tricks people into thinking they are getting something new, both situations suck.
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Keeping the same name makes it hard for people to tell if they are getting the updated product, but giving it a new name tricks people into thinking they are getting something new, both situations suck.

I guess what is the solution then? I personally don't have an issue with companies reusing otherwise good hardware designs. If Polaris, for example, is still a competitive chip in some price tiers AMD shouldn't have to scrap it altogether (unless it makes financial sense) to refresh the entire product stack. I think I would generally prefer reused products to get pushed down in the product stack though.

I don't have an issue with Nvidia reusing the Titan name (as that could be viewed as branding), but don't like Titan X being used twice for example. Maybe though they intend to make the "X" part of the branding too, but then they should have additional information about the chip. What'd be funny if custom boards were allowed and you had the MSI TitanX Gaming X biggrin.gif
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I guess what is the solution then? I personally don't have an issue with companies reusing otherwise good hardware designs. If Polaris, for example, is still a competitive chip in some price tiers AMD shouldn't have to scrap it altogether (unless it makes financial sense) to refresh the entire product stack. I think I would generally prefer reused products to get pushed down in the product stack though.

I don't have an issue with Nvidia reusing the Titan name (as that could be viewed as branding), but don't like Titan X being used twice for example. Maybe though they intend to make the "X" part of the branding too, but then they should have additional information about the chip. What'd be funny if custom boards were allowed and you had the MSI TitanX Gaming X biggrin.gif

I don't think there is a solution, or much of a need for one. Companies can do whatever they feel is the right thing to do for their company and people/consumers can choose which company they want to buy products from. I think that the situation resolves itself since we have a choice as consumers.

IMO that is the best (most consumer friendly) way to reuse products.
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I don't think there is a solution, or much of a need for one. Companies can do whatever they feel is the right thing to do for their company and people/consumers can choose which company they want to buy products from. I think that the situation resolves itself since we have a choice as consumers.

IMO that is the best (most consumer friendly) way to reuse products.


Titan X
Titan P
Titan V


All could solve our headache. Just like

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Quadro M6000
Quadro P6000
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Keeping the same name makes it hard for people to tell if they are getting the updated product, but giving it a new name tricks people into thinking they are getting something new, both situations suck.

Pretty sure Titan X is not a rebrand, just using same name
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Keeping the same name makes it hard for people to tell if they are getting the updated product, but giving it a new name tricks people into thinking they are getting something new, both situations suck.

You mean like all the Pentiums.. i7s... Radeons.. GeForces...

I see "Titan" as a product tier like Pentium, i7, etc...

They just need to add some number or something, Titan X200 or such

Excited for Vega tho, Depends on the cost on whether this is a good card or not
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The last point is incorrect.

Nvidia gotten to the point it has with it's aggressive release schedule and general lack of rebranding over the years. People would hardly think overclocking at the expense of thermals would be innovative from either company.

8800 GTX -> 9800 GTX -> GTS 240?

Rebrands aren't new.. You can also check out the GeForce 4 mx .. didn't have the programmable shaders of its generation (and its competing ATI cards) but it outsold everything despite being a polished turd.
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It didn't work for Intel during the p4 generation(AMD gained a huge amount of marketshare during this period) and fermi gen1 was not well received. Fermi2 raised performance and lowered power consumption and was a much better card from Nvidia. But nonetheless, it was not over celebrated as the next big innovation.

Despite Fermi being an inefficient furnace and being outperformed by its rival ATI card, it still sold far more.. nVidia retained their market share despite releasing a turd. People bought it in droves because marketing works wonders.

nVidia is the Apple of GPU manufacturers, because like Apple, they have excellent marketing and mindshare. Their greatest asset isn't technical, its branding. They could rebrand the same architecture for years with minor tweaks and additions and still charge a premium as long as AMD's offerings aren't significantly faster. As long as they have that one crazy fast card the majority won't buy that wins the benchmarks, people will buy their other cards thinking they are cut from the same cloth.

We see this with intel too.. its not an nVidia thing, its a human psychology thing.
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if i remember right, physx was at it's peak during the fermi days, so that may have helped.
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We see this with intel too.. its not an nVidia thing, its a human psychology thing.

It's worse for the car market.
    
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Juicy!

I think we'll see a match in 1080 performance maybe slightly less that 1080ti with some gains on certain titles. AMD are going to price this correctly; they haven't long released their 5xx rehash and the prices there are simply lining us up for a flagship card - I would expect a 1.8-2.0x the price of R9 580x.

Where it hopefully gets good for us is that these chips have overclocking headroom and decent cooling to boot. Tick them boxes and even under 1080ti performance we will have a winner! This is where we don't want to see a R9 Fury X repeat where the overclock just wasn't there to be had despite the package. (I can't fault my Fury X of course).

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