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Summary: Remarkable new admission from the former head of Microsoft Office development, who makes it no secret that the war over file formats (trying to pass off proprietary formats as a ‘standard’) was “a critical competitive moat” (denying the competition access to the desktop)

Source: http://techrights.org/2017/03/13/remarkable-admission-ooxml/

Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5yvntm/former_head_of_microsoft_office_development_brags/

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The final decision to build the "Word Web App" rather than "a new web-based word processor from Microsoft that is not fully compatible with Word" (and similarly for Excel, PowerPoint and OneNote) was strongly driven by the belief that the file formats continued to serve as a critical competitive moat with immensely strong network effects. In fact, an argument can be made that the Office file formats represent one of the most significant network-based moats in business history (with Win32 and the iOS APIs as two others). Even applications like OpenOffice that were specifically designed to be clones have struggled with compatibility for decades. By embracing that complexity, and the costs, we would deliver something that we knew was fundamentally hard to match, especially if there was any confusion or hesitancy about the commitment required to compete.

I've said before that even Microsoft couldn't re-implement MS Office file formats in another product with perfect compatibility, and here they admit it!

Yet in 2004, another Office dev-manager talks about how precisely reverse-engineering WordPerfect's file format gave Microsoft an advantage in converting WordPerfect users to Microsoft's products:

Other moves were tactical. The Word planning team discovered that the WordPerfect sales force was going around to customers and showing Word opening a complex WordPerfect file (printer.tst) to show how bad the conversion was, and therefore how pointless it would be to try to switch to Word. So the Word team organized a special dev team that focused entirely on WordPerfect document import, "reverse-engineering" the WordPerfect file format (documentation for which was jealously guarded, as was the norm back then). Their goal was to make any WordPerfect doc open flawlessly in Word, but in particular their goal was to have no errors at all on printer.tst. Later the Word sales force used that same file when talking to customers as proof that Word 6.0 could open WordPerfect files flawlessly.
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Original document: https://hackernoon.com/complexity-and-strategy-325cd7f59a92


Meanwhile, Valve keeps hiring talented (this time a veteran) developers to improve the Linux graphics stack:
https://twitter.com/Plagman2/status/841403765114593280
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That's why when you install newer versions of Office you get to choose if you want it to default to Open Document XML or Office XML - one is standard, the other one isn't.

 

Wanna take a guess at which one is selected by default?

   
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LibreOffice compatibility issues are caused because it is an inferior product.

It is known.
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Windows has no place in any competitive OS market. sadly there is no competition
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Everyone always sits here and blames MS. Sure, they are not exactly guilt free by any stretch but it's 2017 and Linux is still in infancy. Besides Ubuntu (which has it's own spyware and bloat issues) what could even hope to compete with Windows?

Linux has a million different heads bickering back and forth about which is best and no sign of ever changing. If the linux community wants it to do better then they need to get behind a single product and support it. Even on the most well known distro's support is just not there for a lot of products and this needs to change. There is to much work for the simple things. AMD/Nvidia drivers are still a joke in Linux, etc.

Aka, there is a lot more besides MS holding linux back.
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LibreOffice compatibility issues are caused because it is an inferior product.

It is known.

 

It's sufficient for most, though.

 

I've used LO for the past... six years? Other than the odd quirk in Calc, I've not had any issues.

 

And now that they added their ribbon-like interface, that's my biggest complaint out the window.

   
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Besides Ubuntu (which has it's own spyware and bloat issues) what could even hope to compete with Windows?
What spyware?
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It's sufficient for most, though.

I've used LO for the past... six years? Other than the odd quirk in Calc, I've not had any issues.

And now that they added their ribbon-like interface, that's my biggest complaint out the window.

I've tried, can't do it.


Office for life.

I get it free from work, but do have a old 2003 disc and key (honestly one of the best versions of office), along with 2011.


Though LO is better than google docs.
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What spyware?

Looks like it was set to not be on by default as of 16.04 which is what, 6 months now?

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.en.html

Point being, Linux is far from a replacement for Windows.
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Everyone always sits here and blames MS. Sure, they are not exactly guilt free by any stretch but it's 2017 and Linux is still in infancy. Besides Ubuntu (which has it's own spyware and bloat issues) what could even hope to compete with Windows?

Are you even real? Linux is present in every single critical point where Windows simply doesn't cut it. You will have a hard time finding a supercomputer running Windows and an overwhelming majority of servers around the world run under Linux. If you knew what you're talking about you'd knew that Ubuntu has a thousand distros based on it without the bloat and spyware.

It is a problem of perception and habits. People think that Linux is hard and it really is but not to the extent in their minds. For browsing Facebook, writing a few mails or browse Pornhub on a VM it is more than enough. Otherwise, it is just Microsoft and its ecosystem stronghold.
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Linux has a million different heads bickering back and forth about which is best and no sign of ever changing. If the linux community wants it to do better then they need to get behind a single product and support it. Even on the most well known distro's support is just not there for a lot of products and this needs to change. There is to much work for the simple things. AMD/Nvidia drivers are still a joke in Linux, etc.

The coolest thing about Linux is that you will find a distro for your needs and if there is none you can build it. Wanna something easy? Try Mint. Something for your quite old computer? Try Lubuntu. Bleeding edge? Try Debian unstable or Arch.

You should also update your sources. Nvidia driver is on par with its Windows counterpart minus the bloat. In fact it beats it in CUDA workloads.
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