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[OC3D]Microsoft is now blocking Windows 7 and 8.1 updates on Ryzen and Kaby Lake systems

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now that's just dirty
 
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Looks like Microsoft is desperate for people to upgrade to Windows 10, it's their fault for creating a product that wasn't popular in the first place, instead of addressing the issues, they chose to ignore it. Typical behaviour from them really, I'm not surprised by this really.
 
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It's amazing how much Microsoft is able to fall from grace. I was once a big Microsoft supporter, but now I can't even take the thought if that.

As much as I want to stay in the Windows system, everything from Version 8 onwards is just completely against my philosophy. Windows 7 will probably be my last. I would rather relearn everything I know and switch to any *NIX system than to bow down to Microsoft's borderline crminal behavior.

Me and my collegues are starting to bet how long MIcrosoft will take until their fall. My guess is 10 years and MS is history.
 
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It's also amazing how people moaned about Intel and even more at AMD for not officially supporting windows 7 on their latest processors, as if it was so hard to figure out that the lack of support was mostly coming from Microsoft. Microsoft is trying to get people to move to win10 and of course Intel and AMD want to sell as many processors as possible, so it made absolutely no sense that they were the one's making that call. But bashing AMD seems to be more popular now than ever.....
 
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The thread I posted in seems to be a duplicate news post so I'll copy paste here:

And a year after these new CPUs Windows can just release a new "version" and force us all to buy a new Windows if we want another new CPU.
/s

Now I was being sarcastic but it really is a slippery slope.

I'm sadly the guy everyone I know contacts for anything computer related, so I build a lot of computers at times. Now when I bought all those Windows 7 keys I thought that it would support all CPUs released during its support period, I've never run into an issue where a new CPU didnt work on a current OS so I felt confident in this assertion. Sigh...

They can run old Win95 and 98 on android phones but devices running Windows7/8 already will cease getting updates...

So since the OS is already running on those CPUs can someone with more knowledge please explain to me why they would no longer be able to get updates?I'm failing to understand a technical reason for this and the only thing I can think of is that its artificially blocked due to greed.

If I am incorrect please educate me, seriously.
 
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Originally Posted by Panzerfury View Post

From a business point of view it make sense to get people onto the newer product. Then they are able to save money by dropping support for the older products.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying I support this move.
It's one point to not support an older product but a complete different thing to completely sabotage them.

I mean how far is Microsoft willing to kill older OS for their new plaything nobody wants? A clever company would react and take the best parts their customers liked about those and implement them in their new OS. But MS is rather stubborn and tries their old anti-competitive tricks again ... even against themselves. Talk about trust issues!
 
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Class action lawsuit possible ?

I believe that license agreement for Windows 7 and 8.1 is still valid, and can't be modified solely based on "Let's screw up customers who paid for their product in the past.".
I mean - I bought W8.1, and I expect that I will get updates regardless of platform up until absolute EOL for that specific product/platform.
 
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Originally Posted by Panzerfury View Post

From a business point of view it make sense to get people onto the newer product. Then they are able to save money by dropping support for the older products.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying I support this move.
No-one wants their new product though
 
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Not sure why Microsoft would do such a move. I could fully understand if there are drivers or special updates which requires Win10 but this is just ridiculous.

Also there are too many people out who will just keep going with Windows 7 and deactivate updates anyways. Microsoft is making it worse and it is XP all over again.
 
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Originally Posted by Panzerfury View Post

From a business point of view it make sense to get people onto the newer product. Then they are able to save money by dropping support for the older products.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying I support this move.
It's one point to not support an older product but a complete different thing to completely sabotage them.

I mean how far is Microsoft willing to kill older OS for their new plaything nobody wants? A clever company would react and take the best parts their customers liked about those and implement them in their new OS. But MS is rather stubborn and tries their old anti-competitive tricks again ... even against themselves. Talk about trust issues!
Exactly. We're talking about patching security vulnerabilities here, it's not like the CPU architecture will have anything to do with it (with Kaby Lake it surely doesn't, as the CPU cores are virtually the same as Skylake) and even in the odd chance that it might, just let people take the chance. Actively denying people the updates is underhanded and desperate.

And what's even more appalling is that in the case of Windows 8.1, it is still under mainstream support. Which, of course, now means exactly nothing.

At this pace Microsoft is going full throttle against a wall.

You know what the news is regarding Windows 10? People who used to set the connection to metered to avoid updates... now will get some updates. One less choice more after the fact.

https://mspoweruser.com/windows-10-will-now-download-updates-automatically-metered-connections/
 
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Originally Posted by Panzerfury View Post

From a business point of view it make sense to get people onto the newer product. Then they are able to save money by dropping support for the older products.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying I support this move.
Business is business right ? so next time, let's inoculate some diseases to people so we can sold them the medicines...or wait, it's already happening...

ps : what about consumer right ?
 
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Not sure why Microsoft would do such a move. I could fully understand if there are drivers or special updates which requires Win10 but this is just ridiculous.
The reason is simple:
-MS wants to push their money-grabbing Win10 schemes

Lately they even implented advertisements in the file browser. In a fully paid product like Windows 10, this is a NO-Go. Consumers don't want that and stay with older Windows versions. Since Microsoft is banking on the incoming revenue from their W10-plans, they do everything to make the older products look worse.

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Also there are too many people out who will just keep going with Windows 7 and deactivate updates anyways. Microsoft is making it worse and it is XP all over again.
I did this too, more like had to do it. The Windows Update did behave strange and I lost all trust I had in MS before. It's like when you cross a bridge or a dark alley at night in fear to be robbed.

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Business is business right ? so next time, let's inoculate some diseases to people so we can sold them the medicines...or wait, it's already happening...

ps : what about consumer right ?
Just shows how much disarray MS has in their ranks. Whenever you hear about the praises about a "new iteration" of Windows 10, the features just make you say "meh". You don't even get where they want to go with some of the changes. The only thing to realize is how much the MS leadership hates Seven and 8.0/8.1.
 
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So one needs to bite the bullet if they're upgrading to Ryzen? Arent current benches saying Win7 is the faster OS as well? I'm tempted just to coast with win7 for a bit, but that doesnt sound like a good plan either.
 
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It appears that this is the source from OC3D:

This is from the MS Web support

It's interesting.
Pretty much confirms, that MS is going hard after users, who just want to use OS they paid for. Like me.
mad.gif

Not so long ago, in another different thread I posted this:

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Originally Posted by BobiBolivia View Post

I am curious about this model:

- I have X silicon with X release of LTSB
- then Y silicon comes (and subsequently Y release), but I still stay on X release

Do I have to upgrade silicon to Y, so I can enjoy Y release ?

Sounds like miserable attempt to force people to upgrade silicon every time new LTSB comes...
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I can't believe MS is already starting to push this as (sort of) standard.

I wanted to build AMD-only system this year, but with this information...
 
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Originally Posted by BobiBolivia View Post

Pretty much confirms, that MS is going hard after users, who just want to use OS they paid for. Like me.
mad.gif

Not so long ago, in another different thread I posted this:
I can't believe MS is already starting to push this as (sort of) standard.

I wanted to build AMD-only system this year, but with this information...
You refused to get the free update called Windows 10, you have no right to any update after that
rolleyes.gif
 
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You refused to get the free update called Windows 10, you have no right to any update after that
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Free update that puts in advertisements in your file browsers, spies on your private data and sells them to the most bidding party?
-I wouldn't call that free at all.

Worse is the poor souls paying full price for this abomination of an OS have the same too.
If Microsoft would be fair, they would at least give the updates to Windows 8.1, because this OS has still mainstram support. How it seems, the old lip service doesn't count for Redmond at all.
 
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Originally Posted by BobiBolivia View Post

Pretty much confirms, that MS is going hard after users, who just want to use OS they paid for. Like me.
mad.gif

Not so long ago, in another different thread I posted this:
I can't believe MS is already starting to push this as (sort of) standard.

I wanted to build AMD-only system this year, but with this information...
You refused to get the free update called Windows 10, you have no right to any update after that
rolleyes.gif
You refused a free drink on the street, you have no rights to any beverage after that
:rolleyes:
 
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this is a load of crap from MS..... what so i dont even get pre Sp1 updates now on newer processors?

i get not supporting a product but deliberately denying updates just because of a hardware flag is just next level of BS

i guess i'll stock pile and keep a cache old skylake and older hardware as i dont see myself moving to next iteration of windows the way MS keeps this up.
 
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Originally Posted by sherlock View Post

You refused to get the free update called Windows 10, you have no right to any update after that
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I understand what you meant by this, but...

(putting this question here, in case of trolls)
If I refuse free W10 update, how does it halt my right for free updates for previous product I already bought ?

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Originally Posted by akromatic View Post

i get not supporting a product but deliberately denying updates just because of a hardware flag is just next level of BS
Wondering if we are going back to old times, waiting for somebody to release "black-market" patch to remove some restriction...
Not that I am supporting pirating SW of any kind, but... this would warrant some action..


Anyway, W8.1 Update 1 is still under mainstream, and next year we will enter extended support.
If MS goes with deliberately halting support for older OS, I believe they will go against EULA or something.
I see a ground for lawsuit, just not sure how effective it would be.
 
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