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His proposed insulation will be more then enough. I have gamed for hours with a 0c cold plate with less insulation then he plans - just dielectric in the socket, art eraser around it, and a blue shop towel(thick paper towel) on top of that. All the back has is a thin layer of dialectric with a sheet of neoprene stuck to it smile.gif. Setup could have easily gone sub zero, but my controller wouldnt allow it.

IMPORTANT TIP THOUGH: You will most likely have to delid the chip to insulate under the IHS, since there is enough air under there to cause condensation if anything around the core is exposed. I just use nail polish around the die and dielectric around the edge of the IHS to make a seal. I lost a 4.8ghz i7 from under the IHS condensation after a year. That will be a bit scary with the soldered Ryzen IHS! Thats really the only thing I'm worried about myself...I have been delidding chips since the Winchester AMD days but have never delidded a soldered chip.

ok, well I am overly fearful of disaster, when I see builds that can go that cold. my reason is that I have lost a rig from condensation on the backside of the motherboard. i lost every thing, the CPU, motherboard, video card, and the soundcard. there was insolation on the back side of the motherboard, but it was not enough. i should have done like you did and insulated the entire back side. thumb.gif
post #32 of 40
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I'm hoping the nice big die on Ryzen will make the cold plate:core delta smaller then our hot little dense Intel CPUs...that would be great!
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ok, well I am overly fearful of disaster, when I see builds that can go that cold. my reason is that I have lost a rig from condensation on the backside of the motherboard. i lost every thing, the CPU, motherboard, video card, and the soundcard. there was insolation on the back side of the motherboard, but it was not enough. i should have done like you did and insulated the entire back side. thumb.gif

Most of us have been there, no worries! If you're not killing stuff you're not pushing it hard enough wink.gif
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no need to delid ryzen, the caps around the die are already sealed with some clear epoxy or some such(think it was amd safety precaution due to solder being used). you can see in de8auers video of his ryzen delid. also there was basically zero improvement from delid and using thermal grizzly conductonaut LM TIM. http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/matthew-wilson/overclocker-der8auer-has-already-managed-to-delid-a-ryzen-cpu-reveals-solder-tim/

The only reason I would delid ryzen would be to try it without the IHS and just naked direct die, the die is quite large so it's easier to get a good mount and the pins don't require much pressure unlike intels LGA which is a nightmare when naked.

Yes I do recall discussing your chillbox plans but as you say, GPU's etc don't have much to gain from chilling because they clock so well under water in the first place, especially your cool geo loop. CPU's don't gain that much either but it is a bigger effect than GPU's I believe. and is much easier to implement. orthello does push his GPU's pretty hard in his chillbox but it is much much bigger project to do that compared to tec direct die.

the only reason I would do chillbox is for the removal of risk from condensation but I am quite comfortable with normal insulation these days. I haven't killed my CPU or mobo yet and I used to run it at minus 10*c at idle which was about 35*c under dew point. I did notice moisture when I took PC apart and I think there was some instability due to it but it never killed anything. I have no issues with moisture buildup/retention now that I use my controller to keep it at 14*c and changed my insulation method slightly. winter is coming around soon so I'll drop down to 10*c again which I should be able to hold now with more rad space.
Edited by LiamG6 - 3/19/17 at 11:44pm
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no need to delid ryzen, the caps around the die are already sealed with some clear epoxy or some such(think it was amd safety precaution due to solder being used). you can see in de8auers video of his ryzen delid. also there was basically zero improvement from delid and using thermal grizzly conductonaut LM TIM. http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/matthew-wilson/overclocker-der8auer-has-already-managed-to-delid-a-ryzen-cpu-reveals-solder-tim/

The only reason I would delid ryzen would be to try it without the IHS and just naked direct die, the die is quite large so it's easier to get a good mount and the pins don't require much pressure unlike intels LGA which is a nightmare when naked.

Yes I do recall discussing your chillbox plans but as you say, GPU's etc don't have much to gain from chilling because they clock so well under water in the first place, especially your cool geo loop. CPU's don't gain that much either but it is a bigger effect than GPU's I believe. and is much easier to implement. orthello does push his GPU's pretty hard in his chillbox but it is much much bigger project to do that compared to tec direct die.

the only reason I would do chillbox is for the removal of risk from condensation but I am quite comfortable with normal insulation these days. I haven't killed my CPU or mobo yet and I used to run it at minus 10*c at idle which was about 35*c under dew point. I did notice moisture when I took PC apart and I think there was some instability due to it but it never killed anything. I have no issues with moisture buildup/retention now that I use my controller to keep it at 14*c and changed my insulation method slightly. winter is coming around soon so I'll drop down to 10*c again which I should be able to hold now with more rad space.

That is STELLAR news that the components around the core are already insulated/coated!

**edit** I'd love better pics though, looks like the closest row to the core are coated, but a whole second row may be exposed...


Edited by Puck - 3/20/17 at 12:20pm
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I just took a look at Foxrena's block. $300, ouch. That's twice what I paid for my current block and it has an X35 pump built in. Ultrasonic's block is $220. That's still quite a bit but better.
From Foxrena's numbers I extrapolated a C/W of .0117 for his block. Does that sound right? Does anyone know the C/W of Ultra's block?
Edited by Thick8 - 3/20/17 at 4:53pm
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.0117*c/w is pretty close to the mark with high flow rate, I have ~1.8gpm. It is a very low restriction block so high flow is possible and really it needs it.

Ultras block has a much larger finned area so it is potentially better in terms of *c/w or just in total heat load it can really handle, I have no idea if ultra ever made any more or will make any more though.

bare in mind the 669w thermonamic is quite expensive too, does foxrena include the TEC with his block? I bought one of his old ones which came with the TEC, thermistor and it was already insulated around the cold plate

Puck I believe the whole area is coated, not sure though, there is a video that will show it better

EDIT: does appear the second row may not be insulated after watching the video. https://youtu.be/wz_-Q5QzRqg?t=65
Edited by LiamG6 - 3/20/17 at 11:42pm
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Ultra told me he would consider making some AM4 compatible blocks once he sells the rest of his back-stock of Intel blocks...so who knows how long that'll be.
    
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Wow ... he has more V4 Intel blocks? He had been dry for a while. I think maybe his website move also affected his exposure. I'm sure some people thought he was just gone from the game.

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He does have a new site and a YouTube Channel going. I've been through most of the videos.

Also, the old forum site is back. There's some good info in there in older posts.

I just looked and I DO see the V4 back in stock. The new calculator is also there as well and has some updated TEC's in it.
Edited by Master Chicken - 3/21/17 at 6:08pm
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The Swiftech AM3 and AM4 brackets should be able to adapt an Intel block.
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Wow ... he has more V4 Intel blocks? He had been dry for a while. I think maybe his website move also affected his exposure. I'm sure some people thought he was just gone from the game.

Edit:

He does have a new site and a YouTube Channel going. I've been through most of the videos.

Also, the old forum site is back. There's some good info in there in older posts.

I just looked and I DO see the V4 back in stock. The new calculator is also there as well and has some updated TEC's in it.
He also has a Facebook group called "TEC Peltier" where he uploads his videos and bounces ideas off of the members, hes also been working on selling a TEC controller kit, that you have to program yourself (but the kit comes with all required parts).
    
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