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I already did, in the post before the one you quoted.

Except your explanation requires that we completely ignore the literal die shots of the part in question as well as the entirety of Nvidia and Nintendo's statements about having custom hardware.

In other words; ignore fact and reality, substituting it for.....???

EDIT: To give further context to the above....
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Originally Posted by Nvidia OCTOBER 20, 2016 
Nintendo Switch is powered by the performance of the custom Tegra processor. The high-efficiency scalable processor includes an NVIDIA GPU based on the same architecture as the world’s top-performing GeForce gaming graphics cards.

Not only was Pascal out when this statement was made, but it literally states custom processor.

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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

Can't wait for BotW at 1440p on Dolphin!

Honestly at this point it would have been so amazing to seen Nintendo license their IP and we have gotten Zelda on PS4 Pro or Xbox Scorpio. By comparison the hardware in those units is incredible.

Or....

Even better....hold your pants........

Released the Switch as a truly mobile device bringing all that good IP with it. It would also just happen to be a mobile device you can enjoy at home on the big screen, something a lot of handheld users have been wanting for decades. Look no further than the Super Gameboy and friends! Instead of splitting their IP library between handheld and this half-breed.

Now while everyone is happy with a truly competent handheld Nintendo could go to work on a proper console.

Either situation would have been better than lying to your customers about a console that is basically mobile hardware but doesn't have the IP/Library support of one. Yet isn't capable of handling the library of a traditional console.
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Eh, I'd only be buying a Switch for BotW anyway so not much of a difference to me. I guess I'll just get a cheap used Wii U to play this game on.
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Except your explanation requires that we completely ignore the literal die shots of the part in question as well as the entirety of Nvidia and Nintendo's statements about having custom hardware.

In other words; ignore fact and reality, substituting it for.....???

 

Did you really read my post? I don't think so.

   
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Did you really read my post? I don't think so.

I didnt think it was that complicated either...
    
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But it isn't that good of a mobile device now is it?

What do you mean?
Graphics wise and gaming wise, it is current the leading SoC for mobile devices, and it is giving better image quality performance than other mobile devices.
Granted 3 hours isn't that much, but performance have yet to come cheap.
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You are being willfully obtuse and anti-consumer with your position. You also have an extreme lack of vehicle understanding, based off your repeated and terrible car analogies.

A company wanting money from a consumer is stating that their product has "X" in it and in reality it has "C" in it. It is nothing short of disgusting that you would even attempt to try and defend the behavior.

Anti consumer? What am I, the government that I need to take care of the "consumer"?

They didn't say X and sold C. They said "nintendo switch" and they are selling "nintendo switch". What is under the hood, either a tegra X1 or a firmware different tegra X1 from any other devices, is irrelevant.
If you are going to take them to court over "they said customs! we demand custom!", most likely you will not only be thrown out of court, you will be the laughing stock of everyone.

The only one against those analogies are the ones actually here not understanding what custom means. It doesn't necessarily means hardware difference. It could mean firmware difference.
There are plenty of stock chips you can program. You customize them to your needs. Hence, custom. It doesn't mean the chip wasn't stop or isn't hardware stock regardless of the code you put in it.

This is not anti consumer. This is having a brain to understand the meaning of the word. Not using a non existing subtext you are trying to force on their words. Have they ever said "physically internally hardware customized chip that is physically different from any other tegra chip"?

Besides, the tegra X1 is being used by nvidia from mobile phones, to gaming hand held, to even their drive CX project. That SoC can do a hell of a lot. And I doubt it does all those things, at stock, as is, without being programmable (which is also stated in the white paper for the X1).
It can be changed for being a graphics chip, to a compute chip, to a learning chip. All depends on the program installed on it. And it is definitely customizable without needing to be hardware different.
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Not only was Pascal out when this statement was made, but it literally states custom processor.

Pascal as GPU or pascal as tegra? and they had enough manufactured SoC for nintendo 2 years in advance for Nintendo to build around it their platform or not?
Unless you have internal know-how on the inner workings of both nintendo and nvidia, I would say that stately is kinda of a BS.
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Just use multi quote ffs...
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Anti consumer? What am I, the government that I need to take care of the "consumer"?

They didn't say X and sold C. They said "nintendo switch" and they are selling "nintendo switch". What is under the hood, either a tegra X1 or a firmware different tegra X1 from any other devices, is irrelevant.

That is utterly false. What you say is under the hood completely matters from every legal and consumer perspective, regardless of the product in question. Go talk to the folks at the FTC, BBB, SEC, and a much larger list of agencies that enforce that.

Going back to their quotes and what they are saying; not only did they state "Nintendo Switch" but as provided multiple times now they stated custom processor, SoC, et cetera.

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Pascal as GPU or pascal as tegra? and they had enough manufactured SoC for nintendo 2 years in advance for Nintendo to build around it their platform or not?
Unless you have internal know-how on the inner workings of both nintendo and nvidia, I would say that stately is kinda of a BS.

Are you kidding me with this? Let me quote their statement....again!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nvidia October 20, 2016 
Nintendo Switch is powered by the performance of the custom Tegra processor. The high-efficiency scalable processor includes an NVIDIA GPU based on the same architecture as the world’s top-performing GeForce gaming graphics cards.

Tegra isn't part of the GeForce gaming graphics card family, is it? This statement is a lie at face value because Pascal was very much out and the top performing card at the time of the statement. The idea that you could even possibly confuse this to mean a Maxwell based SoC is incredible!

You can't twist the repeated statements by Nvidia and Nintendo about it using some form of custom SoC.
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I... would have to say this is the first Nintendo console with an bog-standard parts that nothing is overly exotic about it.

I mean... they used a customized AMD 4670 paired with IBM PowerPC 750 architecture, tri-cores for Wii U.

Wii was basically overclocked Gamecube, which again is:


One IBM PowerPC 750 core, and ATI "Flipper" GPU, really old and before AMD even bought out ATI.

Then their N64 was based on Silicon Graphics IP, and so on.

Nintendo consoles always had this weird mix of differing architectures...


But now, dun dun dun, Maxwell Nvidia SOC with ARM cores. Essentially developing for mobile SOCs as seen in tablets and phones, and now has more in common with off-the-shelf parts than being classically oddball.

Although, this isn't really a "custom" job like the Wii U was, it's just straight up Tegra X1.

So yea they lied about it being custom and all that.
     
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