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What the hell did they do to CSM menu in 3203, can't run W7 (installed as legacy) any more ?
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Originally Posted by MishelLngelo View Post

What the hell did they do to CSM menu in 3203, can't run W7 (installed as legacy) any more ?
Not tried anything like that - is the CSM menu still the same?
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I have W7 and 10 in dual BOOT, on separate SSDs and yes they changed a lot, actually added some CSM options but w7 would now work only when CSM is disabled while before it worked when it was on auto.
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Many of us here are on LLC5 - no current evidence of spikes.

Try to say that in this thread http://www.overclock.net/t/1624139/official-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-1700-owners-club-4ghz-club/17850 biggrin.gif
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I would not be the right person to do that (even if I wanted to!), but there are a few that have done their own testing which indicates it's just not the case. The only spikes that happen, happen on VDDCR CPU and do not reach the CPU due to droop, and are not any higher than spike sprovided for XFR.

In all the time we spend monitoring our voltages we just don't see these spikes. Some would say the equipment being used to measure is not fast enough to see the spikes, but I feel the amount of time we're monitoring our systems is plenty enough for us to be able to see these spikes in HWIfo (Or Aida etc) - I see other voltage spikes elsewhere so why not here?

Anyway, I have put my trust in the evidence that's been provided on this thread on many occasions. I find it hard to believe LLC will damage anything - settings that have dangerous settings are highlighted for us in the bios using different colours to represent risky settings - yellow for some risk and purple for high risk.
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In all the time we spend monitoring our voltages we just don't see these spikes. Some would say the equipment being used to measure is not fast enough to see the spikes, but I feel the amount of time we're monitoring our systems is plenty enough for us to be able to see these spikes in HWIfo (Or Aida etc) - I see other voltage spikes elsewhere so why not here?

You don't see them because they are in ms range - too short to notice without oscilloscope.
Onboard sensors will not pick them up because they have to use low pass filters for smoothing in order to provide steady readings.
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I would not be the right person to do that (even if I wanted to!), but there are a few that have done their own testing which indicates it's just not the case. The only spikes that happen, happen on VDDCR CPU and do not reach the CPU due to droop, and are not any higher than spike sprovided for XFR.

In all the time we spend monitoring our voltages we just don't see these spikes. Some would say the equipment being used to measure is not fast enough to see the spikes, but I feel the amount of time we're monitoring our systems is plenty enough for us to be able to see these spikes in HWIfo (Or Aida etc) - I see other voltage spikes elsewhere so why not here?

Anyway, I have put my trust in the evidence that's been provided on this thread on many occasions. I find it hard to believe LLC will damage anything - settings that have dangerous settings are highlighted for us in the bios using different colours to represent risky settings - yellow for some risk and purple for high risk.

If LLC5 was completely harmless then why didn't Asus put it as Default? They certainly put everything "safe" as default (ram volt,cpu volt, disabled CBS) and anything over "safe"/user modified is considered as OC

In fact, why implement LLC levels in first place if LLC5 became magical solution to deal with vDroop. They could have so much marketing potential.

Obviously there must be some kind of risk involved and it has been proven on different motherboards that there is big spikes so it's safe to assume this one does either because motherboard circutary does not change much from each generation
    
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If LLC5 was completely harmless then why didn't Asus put it as Default? They certainly put everything "safe" as default (ram volt,cpu volt, disabled CBS) and anything over "safe"/user modified is considered as OC

In fact, why implement LLC levels in first place if LLC5 became magical solution to deal with vDroop. They could have so much marketing potential.

Obviously there must be some kind of risk involved and it has been proven on different motherboards that there is big spikes so it's safe to assume this one does either because motherboard circutary does not change much from each generation

Buildzoid had a video recently about VRM's and LLC. He said never to use the 'extreme' or top end LLC setting because of the massive voltage it adds, and the possible transient spikes that can potentially cause damage to your CPU.

The way I figure it, I use LLC 3, with a bit more voltage to compensate just enough for that vdroop without going to the extreme mode. I used LLC 5 at first myself, but realized I didn't need it. But of course, so long as people are aware of the potential issues an possible shortening of life, then who cares? It's their stuff, let em blow it up if they want to.

Even the manufacturers wouldn't cover OC if they knew you were doing it. All the while they know a lot of people use the boards to OC, hell J.J. from Asus does OC video guides ffs. I spent 40 extra bucks on 2 years for CPU and MB through Micro Center, so even OC is covered if I do something stupid and kill either of them. I probably won't need it, but knowing it's there is reassuring, just in case.

BTW, Asus uses pretty good VRM's on most of their boards. The B350's are kinda meh, and the X370 Prime board... not hte Pro, Buildzoid said it had the same 4 phase as the B350 prime and was kind of crap for an X370 board. I'm glad I went with the Prime X370 Pro. Got it for a good price and is probably one of the better boards for VRM in the price range.
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On the subject of voltage spikes as they are measured at the back of the CPU:
1. Spikes are on order of 0.06V as measured and shown by AMD engineers on one of their posts/videos (can't find the link now) - so since we know that AMD suggests keeping voltage below 1.425V for the long term OC-ing, then to be perfectly safe we should keep below 1.34V LLC5 to get the same.
2. Personally, I will be exchanging this CPU for ZEN2 or maybe even ZEN+ so I don't really care if I damage it a bit in the meantime. That said the real damage is done when running transistors with high voltage and temperature constantly for a long time, as in setting 1.425V and playing with 48H of OCCT to test stability, jumping power states and resulting spikes in voltages in the same frame of 1.425V for miliseconds will do the same damage after 20 years wink.gif

On another topic, my CPU is unable to stabilize at 4.2Ghz with memory set to 2933 - I can run it at 4.2 but with memory at 2400 - so no deal for me.
The final score is 4.1Ghz at 1.368V with SoC at 1.025V and good timings for memory. I like this smile.gif
    
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