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I bought a ton of different 3360 based mice and mousepads because I'm an idiot and thought it would make me a better gamer. Here's what I discovered.

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For whatever reason I got it in my head that the reason why I couldn't aim well in games even after matching pro players DPI and in game sensitivity settings was related to the mouse and mouse pad I was using. For some reason I figured that there was some mouse and mousepad combo out there that I could find that would work for me and make me magically aim substantially better. To a point that is sort of true but you have to look at the situation the right way to begin with and then you won't have to buy a bunch of mice and mousepads like I did. I know the 3360 sensor and all of it's variants is the best sensor out right now so I bought 8 different 3360 based mice. I obsessively tested them in different ways in different training maps, in game etc. Same with mousepads. I have tired 6 of them now. After nailing down a good testing procedure I settled on Aim Hero http://store.steampowered.com/app/518030/ because it was all of the training maps I could find combined and will keep track of your scores for you. I found that I was preforming best with a different mouse or mousepad combo each day I did testing. What I found is that pretty much all 3360 mice track the same. The difference between one or the other tracking wise is so minimal that it really doesn't matter what one you choose. The sensor as long as it is a variant of the 3360 is not a determining factor. This makes the choice all about the shape, size and weight of the mouse. I started thinking that a certain shape was better or a certain weight was better etc but that will lead you down the wrong path too. As long as the weight is within a certain number Im going to say 115G or under and the weight is balanced you will be fine. I have 2 specific 3360 mice that I like better than all of the others I have tested. Funny thing is they are vastly different from each other in shape and weight. I started trying to figure out what mouse selection method would have brought me to those 2 choices. All I could really come up with is just figuring out what size mouse is right for your hands and deciding on a shape that looks comfortable to you, and then making sure that the mouse meets your other pre determined criteria. So I know I want a 3360 mouse. I know I want it to be 115G or under. I know I want it to have RGB lights or no lights, I know I want it to be driverless, or I know I want it to have advanced features in the drivers etc. Once you pick one that meets the criteria and buy it try not to look back. There is really nothing that is going to be substantially better if you made your choice correctly based on standards...3360, 115G or less and then your own specifications. Trying a bunch of different mice because you think one is going to make you a better player is not the answer trust me.. They are all so close. And as far as mousepads go they are all fine. Every single one I have tried is fine with 3360 mice and I can adjust to any of them in a matter of about 15 min so just pick the one that fits your desk and that you think will be the most comfortable for you.

TLDR: Start with some hard standards... 3360 based sensor, 115G or under and a mouse that is the right size for your hand then make your own criteria (Driver or driverless, lights, Buttons, wired or wireles other features) and make your choice. Once you have made it stick with it and don't second guess or think another mouse with the same sensor will make you any measurable amout better.

Pick a mousepad that fits your desk and that looks good to you. They are all fine, track fine, and you should be able to get used to any of them fairly quickly. Speed... Control.. Whatever, its marketing, not much difference 3360 works great with all of them, just pick one.
 
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Have you tested your in-game performance as well? Training maps don't show the whole picture.

In my experience it is also a good idea not to switch mice too often while testing. I need at least 10+ hours to get a good feel and a solid grip for a mouse. Only then I'm able to determine whether my aim has benefitted from the switch or not.

And lastly, you also need to take into acount that you need to minimze the influence of other possible determing factors for your aim while testing mice. Using anything but a 144Hz monitor will limit you one way or another for example, so you wouldn't be able to fully benefit from a better fitting mouse.
 
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Have you tested your in-game performance as well? Training maps don't show the whole picture.

In my experience it is also a good idea not to switch mice too often while testing. I need at least 10+ hours to get a good feel and a solid grip for a mouse. Only then I'm able to determine whether my aim has benefitted from the switch or not.

And lastly, you also need to take into acount that you need to minimze the influence of other possible determing factors for your aim while testing mice. Using anything but a 144Hz monitor will limit you one way or another for example, so you wouldn't be able to fully benefit from a better fitting mouse.
In game performance is what led me to testing in different ways and eventually training aim and aim hero because I felt like there was no measurable difference in game that wasn't all in my head from making the mouse change. Aim hero tracks stats so I was able to look at hard data from it after testing each mouse. Every mouse I have purchased I have used for at least a week as my daily so way more than 10 hours. I do have a 144hz monitor as well.
 
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Arguably the only few that might be a tad better are the Logitech 3366 variants, but even then. The difference between my Revel and G Pro is so minimal, I just choose the Revel as my main because the shape is more comfortable to me.
I can't confirm that and I don't think they are better on paper. I have the G403 and the G900 and don't see much of any difference between those and everything else that is 3360 based.
 
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Honestly I've stuck with the FK1 just because I like the shape. Personally, unless the sensor is COMPLETE ass, I would always pick shape over sensor at this point.
Just recently went back to my fk1 after using the g403 for the past few months. Overall, shape > sensor for me as long as thesensor isnt complete garbage. Hell id probably still use my g9x if i could find the damn thing...
 
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I have several 3366 and 3360 mice, yet I still use either an S3988 or A3050 based ones. Shape matters the most, sensor is rather irrelevant (as long as it's not say 3305dk or something similar garbage...) if you can cope with its limits (max speed, lod).
 
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My experience so far is shape shape shape (and weight)... as long as it is one of the "good" optical sensors, you are fine.The rest is really just us being obsessive... (but that is just how it is, and fun!
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The obsessive part is fun until you realize you could have bought another budget gaming rig, A sweet monitor, a nicer video card etc for the amount of money you have spent on different gaming peripherals and the gain you got from one to the other was almost immeasurable. I currently have 8 gaming mice, 6 gaming mousepads, 6 gaming headsets, and 3 gaming keyboards and looking back any combination of them would have been 100% fine except for a couple outliers which I could have weeded out with a better selection process.
 
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The obsessive part is fun until you realize you could have bought another budget gaming rig, A sweet monitor, a nicer video card etc for the amount of money you have spent on different gaming peripherals and the gain you got from one to the other was almost immeasurable. I currently have 8 gaming mice, 6 gaming mousepads, 6 gaming headsets, and 3 gaming keyboards and looking back any combination of them would have been 100% fine except for a couple outliers which I could have weeded out with a better selection process.
I hear ya!

I have a bunch of gear in my closet. And the headset thing... that's one that got me, I use high end cans, DC/AMP and seperate mic... makes "gaming headsets" seem really crappy in comparison, but not cheap!

I got lucky on mice, only a Zowie and G Pro (for FPS mice), and found out that for some reason I like tiny mice even with hands at like 22cm (so I stuck with the G Pro). Gonna try the new 2017 Kone though, I like Roccat, and well.. obsession!
 
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I hear ya!

I have a bunch of gear in my closet. And the headset thing... that's one that got me, I use high end cans, DC/AMP and seperate mic... makes "gaming headsets" seem really crappy in comparison, but not cheap!

I got lucky on mice, only a Zowie and G Pro (for FPS mice), and found out that for some reason I like tiny mice even with hands at like 22cm (so I stuck with the G Pro). Gonna try the new 2017 Kone though, I like Roccat, and well.. obsession!
I dig the KPM but it is too small for my hands, thats why I ended up with the EMP. Anyways yes I went the high end headphones route too. I'm currently running a Sound Blaster Z with the 5.1 SBX pro studio emulation mixed down to 2 channel optical out into a Schiit Modi 2 Multibit + Magni 2 Uber stack to a pair of HiFi Man HE400i's with soundstage mods and a Modmic.
 
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I found that I was preforming best with a different mouse or mousepad combo each day I did testing.
I've encountered this as well. After plugging in a different mouse and getting used to it in deathmatch servers for an hour I always perform better than with the mouse I used previously. I have a feel it has to do with you paying extra attention to the way you are aiming, even if you aren't deliberately trying to do so as your muscle memory is being overwritten with new mouse experiences.
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Either way, you kill your consistency by constantly changing things. I got my friend to literally take away all my mice but one so I can gain some freaking muscle memory for Avago sensors again.
 
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I've encountered this as well. After plugging in a different mouse and getting used to it in deathmatch servers for an hour I always perform better than with the mouse I used previously. I have a feel it has to do with you paying extra attention to the way you are aiming, even if you aren't deliberately trying to do so as your muscle memory is being overwritten with new mouse experiences.
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Either way, you kill your consistency by constantly changing things. I got my friend to literally take away all my mice but one so I can gain some freaking muscle memory for Avago sensors again.
I have 4 mice that I have used almost exclusively for a few months. The Roccat KPM, The Logitech G403, the Roccat EMP, and the Scream One. My accuracy stats in Overwatch varied slightly between them but it was still within like 5% accuracy across the board and seemed to go up with each new mouse I tried so in reality it was probally just me getting better at aiming in general. Looking back I don't really feel like I was better with any one of them which is especially interesting because the KPM is a 3310. My main now is the EMP simply because it's the most comfortable and fits my hand the best.
 
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I don't buy new mice cause I think they will make me aim better (old fart my reaction times have just plummeted compared to when I was 16 long ago - lost cause
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), but to find that 1 perfect shell shape that's so comfortable I can use it for hours straight without cramps and still be at my best with. My Ventus is very close, but not yet perfect. Maybe someday...
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I don't buy new mice cause I think they will make me aim better (old fart my reaction times have just plummeted compared to when I was 16 long ago - lost cause
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), but to find that 1 perfect shell shape that's so comfortable I can use it for hours straight without cramps and still be at my best with. My Ventus is very close, but not yet perfect. Maybe someday...
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nailed it, I'm old and grumpy now, and my hands hurt a lot easier - though I do work out now to try to stop that.
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Yeah, there's no magic trick to getting better at aim, besides hard work
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. Pro players switch mice all the time when their sponsor wants to promote a new product, or they switch teams and end up with different sponsors... just the fact that they often just use the mice their sponsors want them to be seen using goes to show it isn't a huge factor, beyond having a reasonable mouse. I'm sure if you are using a HP OEM mouse or something there could be a decent improvement, but not if you've researched a mouse then bought it.
 
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I've thought about this exact topic quite a bit recently. Many mice these days have very consistent performance and will meet the demands that we place on them. Get something that fits your hand well, do some gaming, and just have fun without worrying about tracking, that 2 extra ms of button delay, etc.
 
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Originally Posted by killeraxemannic View Post

Pick a mousepad that fits your desk and that looks good to you. They are all fine, track fine, and you should be able to get used to any of them fairly quickly. Speed... Control.. Whatever, its marketing, not much difference 3360 works great with all of them, just pick one.
Not really. I am currently using Glorious XXL and I have a problem: when my hand gets sweaty - it sticks to the mouse pad, I can still move the mouse, but moving the hand becomes hard. So I'm thinking of getting a different pad.
Also when I was using logitech g pro I noticed during my aim training that there were certain spots where my aim would be bad and inconsistent no matter how hard I trained it. So I switched the mouse with a little more support for the palm, which allowed me to do those movements in a different manner and after a month of using it - I can see the results. So I would think of it this way: if you see no problems - you don't need to change anything. However if you have a problem - the right gear might eliminate it.
 
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Not really. I am currently using Glorious XXL and I have a problem: when my hand gets sweaty - it sticks to the mouse pad, I can still move the mouse, but moving the hand becomes hard. So I'm thinking of getting a different pad.
Also when I was using logitech g pro I noticed during my aim training that there were certain spots where my aim would be bad and inconsistent no matter how hard I trained it. So I switched the mouse with a little more support for the palm, which allowed me to do those movements in a different manner and after a month of using it - I can see the results. So I would think of it this way: if you see no problems - you don't need to change anything. However if you have a problem - the right gear might eliminate it.
Well that's sort of what I was saying with picking based on the shape and weight. If you have a specific issue with a mouse that you have narrowed it down to though I would definitely say it's worth changing. But even with your situation I'm sure the benefit a different mouse gives you is minimal overall. As far as the mousepad goes I have that issue with every single one I own so it's not just the Glorious that gets sticky.
 
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