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thumb.gif No problem. Bonus nachos, he did a PCB breakdown of his Taichi.
 
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What gives? ASROCK RECENTLY CHANGED the 2.00 BIOS description to:
Code:
1.Update AGESA to 1.0.0.4a
2.Precision Boost - Adjusts clock speeds in 25MHz increments in BIOS setup.
hwinfo shows 1.0.0.3 agesa and BIOS P2.00 downloading the file again it has the same date & size BUT I did NOT compare hashes.

[EDIT]
...and I gave 2667 another shot again and ended up in a state where while is defaulted BACK to 2133 it (BIOS) would NOT allow me to load my save 2400 profile. It would just freeze. I gave up after 2 tries and cleared CMOS which seems to have things back to 'normal' or whatever passes for that with Ryzen and the current boards.

It was with the 2x16GB G.Skill HYNIX RAM at 16-18-18-18-58.

...and oh what fun to remember the utterly illogical locations that ASROCK buried some options...

Anyone have any idea what that NVDIMM option is supposed to be(sorry forgot which damned menu it's under but it's under ADVANCED and one of the MEMORY related ones...) all it does is show NVDIMM which NOTHING can be done to...

Well, back to 2400 2T and all of my old BIOS options or at least the ones that I can recall. I wish that there was a GLOBAL set of profiles as well to handle the misc BIOS options or combo profile that SAVED ALL settings to profiles as the one under OC only seems to save THOSE settings although I did NOT really test as after another unexpected result I decided enough monkeying with BIOS again for a while...

At least I still have my x79 sitting right here but still I REALLY and TRULY do NOT want to have to RMA a mobo, as it's kind of fun putting it together once but not really a second time around.
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AIDA64 shows 1.0.0.3 for me as well. Would be curious to know whether it's a reporting issue or accurate, and if accurate why the notes say otherwise.

That being said, you're using RAM that has virtually given everybody headaches. I'm not saying that these boards don't have a quirky BIOS, they do depending on what you're using and wanting to do. Personally, I would fall back to the x79 system you have if you're becoming this frustrated with it. Or try to return it and try out a different board all together. This board, and the Taichi, are physically overbuilt and really nice boards; but the BIOS does lack.

There are definitely growing pains. Most of us built an entirely new system for Ryzen. New CPU architecture, new motherboards from vendors that weren't given enough time or didn't take launch seriously, high speed RAM that also took Intel boards some time to figure out; it's going to take time for everything to just work.
 
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Re: NVDIMM

Most likely, this refers to having nonvolatile DIMMs in memory slots.

While AMD has more or less stated that it won't be supporting Intel/Micron's X-Point NV RAM (in either M.2 or DIMM form factors), there are other people (Diablo for one) who have been making NVRAM DIMMS for a few years now, with more people (like Samsung) still working on it.

Of course, the big question is whether this is currently functional (just a matter of putting one or more NVDIMMs into the slots and enabling in the UEFI screen), or if it's more of a "Future Use" item (i.e. not compatible with any currently released products).

A secondary question would be "How does it work?" Are there hooks to add the NVDIMM as storage Cache? It it just a matter of making the slot available to 3rd party APIs? Maybe it just makes a RAM DISK out of anything in the designated slot(s)?

Since we haven't heard much from AMD about this feature, I'm guessing it's not yet ready for prime time.
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Noob here

I have the ASRock Fatal1ty Gaming Professional board, R 1700, 4x8GB of G.Skills TridentZ 3200c14

The ram was defaulting to a ridiculous 1866 mhz with default timings of 13 13 13 13 32. I changed the timings to 14 14 14 14 34 and was able to get 2400 and then 2666, but not any more. I am definitely not interested in trying configurations with 2x8GB as I bought four sticks of this RGB ram for a reason. Also, RyzenMaster reports the cpu clocking at only 3.2 ghz despite temperatures of around 26c. When I tried overclocking to 3800 mhz, setting vcore to 1.35....it would not work.
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Noob here

I have the ASRock Fatal1ty Gaming Professional board, R 1700, 4x8GB of G.Skills TridentZ 3200c14

The ram was defaulting to a ridiculous 1866 mhz with default timings of 13 13 13 13 32. I changed the timings to 14 14 14 14 34 and was able to get 2400 and then 2666, but not any more. I am definitely not interested in trying configurations with 2x8GB as I bought four sticks of this RGB ram for a reason. Also, RyzenMaster reports the cpu clocking at only 3.2 ghz despite temperatures of around 26c. When I tried overclocking to 3800 mhz, setting vcore to 1.35....it would not work.
4 sticks as of right now are almost the worst case memory scenario. Presumably those are single ranked so the only thing worse would be 4x dual ranked... HOPEFULLY this situation will get better over time.

That said man, I can't catch a break. Up to P2.00 BIOS I HAD been able to run my dual ranked 2x16GB @ 2667 1T now all I can get is 2400. Every time that I've tried anything higher the board seems to boot cycle dumping me at the usual 2133 default HOWEVER at THAT point I'm no longer able to load OC profiles as it just hang upon loading, so I get to clear CMOS manually reset all the crazily located settings(OK, most of them are in logical menus BUT SOME of them leave me scratching my head...). I WOULD go back to 1.93D BUT I figure that ASROCK must've pulled it for a good reason... so now I'm just waiting for whatever comes next but honestly I had expected another round of at least BETA BIOSes by now but IF I had to guess it seems more and more likely we won't see any until AMD releases AGESA .5 which is SUPPOSED to FOCUS on better memory support. I'm not monkeying with as many BIOS settings as I would be trying to tweak by now simply because the BIOSes so far while stable in mainly default settings but what happens e.g. now when I try to OC memory and the state that that apparently leaves the board in... at least no brickings...

[EDIT]
On the ASROCK forums support has confirmed that ALL CURRENT ASROCK AM4 boards FULLY support ECC memory, if any of you were/are interested. We already more or less knew this, but it's nicer to 'hear' it 'officially'. Which means that you MIGHT want to look at ECC RAM as last I checked it was still cheaper than non-ECC, *mind blown* well if the non-ECC stuff isn't on sale which is why I fscked up and bought non-ECC. (I was originally thinking workstation/server part based build... and it's increasingly looking like I'll be doing that anyways for a variety of reasons(primarily I/O and memory bandwidth related the weakest part of Ryzen 7 and IMNHO a mistake, Ryzen 5 yeah that's OK but NOT 7 IMNHO but this is more of a test build for me anyways).
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Edited by cutterjohn - 4/22/17 at 8:48am
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4 sticks as of right now are almost the worst case memory scenario. Presumably those are single ranked so the only thing worse would be 4x dual ranked... HOPEFULLY this situation will get better over time.

That said man, I can't catch a break. Up to P2.00 BIOS I HAD been able to run my dual ranked 2x16GB @ 2667 1T now all I can get is 2400. Every time that I've tried anything higher the board seems to boot cycle dumping me at the usual 2133 default HOWEVER at THAT point I'm no longer able to load OC profiles as it just hang upon loading, so I get to clear CMOS manually reset all the crazily located settings(OK, most of them are in logical menus BUT SOME of them leave me scratching my head...). I WOULD go back to 1.93D BUT I figure that ASROCK must've pulled it for a good reason... so now I'm just waiting for whatever comes next but honestly I had expected another round of at least BETA BIOSes by now but IF I had to guess it seems more and more likely we won't see any until AMD releases AGESA .5 which is SUPPOSED to FOCUS on better memory support. I'm not monkeying with as many BIOS settings as I would be trying to tweak by now simply because the BIOSes so far while stable in mainly default settings but what happens e.g. now when I try to OC memory and the state that that apparently leaves the board in... at least no brickings...

[EDIT]
On the ASROCK forums support has confirmed that ALL CURRENT ASROCK AM4 boards FULLY support ECC memory, if any of you were/are interested. We already more or less knew this, but it's nicer to 'hear' it 'officially'. Which means that you MIGHT want to look at ECC RAM as last I checked it was still cheaper than non-ECC, *mind blown* well if the non-ECC stuff isn't on sale which is why I fscked up and bought non-ECC. (I was originally thinking workstation/server part based build... and it's increasingly looking like I'll be doing that anyways for a variety of reasons(primarily I/O and memory bandwidth related the weakest part of Ryzen 7 and IMNHO a mistake, Ryzen 5 yeah that's OK but NOT 7 IMNHO but this is more of a test build for me anyways).
[/EDIT]

2.0 definitely feels goofy. Since updating I've had a SATA port drop my primary SSD, to which I shat a brick, but putting it on a different SATA port cleared up the issue. I also get some lag/delay when first getting to the sign in screen for W10 and other times the screen just stays black forcing me to restart. My problem now is I've got so much new hardware going on in this thing it's hard to tell what's causing what. The display issues could be from the new GPU, but it didn't seem to do this for the couple days I was on 1.93D with the new GPU. The SATA port dropping out surprises me the least as the SSD on that port was an OCZ Vertex 3 from 2011(!!!) that still, somehow, hasn't taken a dirt nap on me yet. I'm going towards the BIOS just being not-so-great this time around. Still no word, to my knowledge, on why AIDA and other programs are reporting the old AGESA when the notes for 2.0 list .4

In a weird way I kinda like how the memory speed plays the role in Ryzen performance versus Intel. It was always weird to me how on my 3930k you could spend 800+ between CPU and motherboard, but buy 1866 DDR3 and there be little to no tangible performance uplift going to a faster speed. Not so great for budget builds, which is kind of AMDs thing, but it's nice to see the system overall respond to high RAM speed. It was an utter pain in the wallet though. Hopefully RAM compatibility increases across the board. My 3200C14 works just fine, the C16 was a no go above 2400. Would be nice to use both sets and find a happy medium in timings at 3200 some day.
 
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4 sticks as of right now are almost the worst case memory scenario. Presumably those are single ranked so the only thing worse would be 4x dual ranked... HOPEFULLY this situation will get better over time.

That said man, I can't catch a break. Up to P2.00 BIOS I HAD been able to run my dual ranked 2x16GB @ 2667 1T now all I can get is 2400. Every time that I've tried anything higher the board seems to boot cycle dumping me at the usual 2133 default HOWEVER at THAT point I'm no longer able to load OC profiles as it just hang upon loading, so I get to clear CMOS manually reset all the crazily located settings(OK, most of them are in logical menus BUT SOME of them leave me scratching my head...). I WOULD go back to 1.93D BUT I figure that ASROCK must've pulled it for a good reason... so now I'm just waiting for whatever comes next but honestly I had expected another round of at least BETA BIOSes by now but IF I had to guess it seems more and more likely we won't see any until AMD releases AGESA .5 which is SUPPOSED to FOCUS on better memory support. I'm not monkeying with as many BIOS settings as I would be trying to tweak by now simply because the BIOSes so far while stable in mainly default settings but what happens e.g. now when I try to OC memory and the state that that apparently leaves the board in... at least no brickings...

[EDIT]
On the ASROCK forums support has confirmed that ALL CURRENT ASROCK AM4 boards FULLY support ECC memory, if any of you were/are interested. We already more or less knew this, but it's nicer to 'hear' it 'officially'. Which means that you MIGHT want to look at ECC RAM as last I checked it was still cheaper than non-ECC, *mind blown* well if the non-ECC stuff isn't on sale which is why I fscked up and bought non-ECC. (I was originally thinking workstation/server part based build... and it's increasingly looking like I'll be doing that anyways for a variety of reasons(primarily I/O and memory bandwidth related the weakest part of Ryzen 7 and IMNHO a mistake, Ryzen 5 yeah that's OK but NOT 7 IMNHO but this is more of a test build for me anyways).
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My 2 x 16GB Corsair vengeance LED 3000MHz can do 2993MHz 18-17-17-17-35 on Taichi with Dram 1.35V - SOC 1.05V and 2666MHz 16-15-15-15-35 Dram 1.2V SOC .899V
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Have been checking the ASRock website / BIOS page

All the older BIOS versions are gone, now.

Only one BIOS file is left: the 2.00 version which has to be installed from UEFI.

Hopefully, anyone who received the original motherboard, whose BIOS didn't support UEFI flashing, has already upgraded. Otherwise, they're screwed.

Still using 1.93d, since it's the only one that can get my ram to 2667.
Edited by HurnII - 4/28/17 at 7:18pm
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Have been checking the ASRock website / BIOS page

All the older BIOS versions are gone, now.

Only one BIOS file is left: the 2.00 version which has to be installed from UEFI.

Hopefully, anyone who received the original motherboard, whose BIOS didn't support UEFI flashing, has already upgraded. Otherwise, they're screwed.

Still using 1.93d, since it's the only one that can get my ram to 2667.
yep, I saw that too when I just checked a few minutes ago. I still have copies of 1.93D and IIRC 1.50 or 1.55 BUT I have decided NOT to touch 1.93D since they pulled that one as soon as 2.00 was released which makes me wonder IF there weren't a critical bug in that beta release as it's CLEARLY DIFFERENT from 2.00 which IMNHO is NOT very good at all, and I don't think that that is all down to the .4a AGESA either.

That said I've no real interest in going back to 1.50(or 1.55 which ever it was) and plan on sitting tight until either (a) a widely acclaimed beta or (b) the final May release w/the presumably .5 AGESA which HOPEFULLY will HELP a GREAT deal with all the memory problems. I'm stable now is also part of the reason and the other is that even getting back to 2667 really only gives me fractionally more performance, so what I'm HOPING for is that the .5 AGESA will ALLOW me to hit 2933 or the rated 3200 of my 2x16GB RAM sticks or better...
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