A self-driving car operated by Uber Technologies Inc. was involved in a crash in Tempe, Arizona, the latest setback for a company reeling from multiple crises.
In a photo posted on Twitter, one of Uber's Volvo self-driving SUVs is pictured on its side next to another car with dents and smashed windows. An Uber spokeswoman confirmed the incident, and the veracity of the photo, in an email to Bloomberg News.
I haven't seen any video of the incident yet. Uber didn't explicitly state whether there was anyone in the uber car or not, either.
Yeah that's what I mean.
Police said there was a passenger in the self-driving car. The person was behind the wheel but it's unclear whether they were controlling the SUV or not.
Not even that rather it is news involving technology and science. From diagnostics to who was at fault to how to improve response time but also desicion making. Does the self driving car inherently protect the passenger at all cost or the pedestrian. Does it avoid a child pedestrian over an elderly pedestrian or does it avoid pedestrians at all costs.
I already corrected myself earlier in the thread, was that necessary?
Accountability is a big question, here. People are held liable for their actions, in the event of a crash. Damages (including life and limb) are the responsibility of the person (and insurance agency by extension.) Negligence is tantamount to manslaughter, for drivers. It's not feasible to hold employees of a self-driving vehicle manufacturer responsible in the same way, and it's no consolation to hold an artificial entity like a corporation responsible -- not when they're engaged in an activity that (on this scale) will result in the loss of lives.
Think about this from the perspective of the driver of the other vehicle: that person is now out for blood and will likely sue Uber. Assuming the passenger in Uber's Volvo was controlling the vehicle? He should be held responsible as well.Originally Posted by Mookster
Accountability is a big question, here. People are held liable for their actions, in the event of a crash. Damages (including life and limb) are the responsibility of the person (and insurance agency by extension.) Negligence is tantamount to manslaughter, for drivers. It's not feasible to hold employees of a self-driving vehicle manufacturer responsible in the same way, and it's no consolation to hold an artificial entity like a corporation responsible -- not when they're engaged in an activity that (on this scale) will result in the loss of lives.
I do but I also want to drive a lot of the time. But in the morning with a 45 minute commute that's 45 minutes of extra sleep!Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric
I am so over this idiotic push to cram self-driving cars down our throats.
I. Don't. Want. A Self-driving. Car. Period.
I want to drive my own car and that's an end to it. I don't ever even ride with others as I simply want to be in control of my own vehicle at all times. I'm sure at some point this technology will be good enough but after 20 years and hundreds of thousands of issue-free miles under my belt I am more than confident in my own ability to pilot a vehicle and don't need or want somebody telling me some GPU can do it better. Want a self-driving car? Fine, knock yourself out. But there will be hell to pay if anybody ever suggests I not be allowed to drive myself (unless of course I become physically unable to do so for whatever reason).
I could accept this sort of hybrid solution where cars had the ability to turn autopilot on or off like KITT from Knight Rider. That would be pretty cool. Unfortunately most people around here seem to be pushing for eliminating humans from driving altogether and that is something I will not ever accept. The safety Nazis are always out in force, always looking for the next way to "protect" us from ourselves but I don't want to be a bubble boy. We're all going to die someday but the important thing is what we do while we're here and how much fun we have doing it. Otherwise living even 200 years would be pretty pointless.
I don't get why people care so much about driving. No matter how safe you think you drive, you are not as reliable as a self-driving vehicle.. especially if you consider that self-driving vehicles can have safety controls that run on a network level in total symphony, in parallel with their individual cognitive algorithms. They can react to completely unforeseen circumstances both in concert, and autonomously. You can never claim to reach that level of safety while operating a vehicle.Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric
I am so over this idiotic push to cram self-driving cars down our throats.
I. Don't. Want. A Self-driving. Car. Period.
I want to drive my own car and that's an end to it. I don't ever even ride with others as I simply want to be in control of my own vehicle at all times. I'm sure at some point this technology will be good enough but after 20 years and hundreds of thousands of issue-free miles under my belt I am more than confident in my own ability to pilot a vehicle and don't need or want somebody telling me some GPU can do it better. Want a self-driving car? Fine, knock yourself out. But there will be hell to pay if anybody ever suggests I not be allowed to drive myself (unless of course I become physically unable to do so for whatever reason).
Right because no pc software or hardware ever goes wrong lol.Originally Posted by Mookster
I don't get why people care so much about driving. No matter how safe you think you drive, you are not as reliable as a self-driving vehicle.. especially if you consider that self-driving vehicles can have safety controls that run on a network level in total symphony, in parallel with their individual cognitive algorithms. They can react to completely unforeseen circumstances both in concert, and autonomously. You can never claim to reach that level of safety while operating a vehicle.
It's not that people want to take away your right to drive, it's just that your right to drive is in the way of a much better system. Once the data comes in, you won't have a leg to stand on. It can (and will) be proven that your driving is leagues worse than that which will be achieved with technology in the near future. Particularly when you consider the raw GPS data that will illustrate other issues, like the inefficiency of human route-decisions. With GPS and AI, autonomous vehicles will be much more capable of choosing routes that are not only safer for occupants, but also benefit the environment by being less wasteful.
Your rights might be in the way of that now, but it's not like people are just trying to take your rights away. It just so happens that your rights stand in the way of the full-benefit of autonomous driving, and in that regard there's no justification for driving yourself.
Why not? A self driving car could monitor traffic in all directions at the same time, and potentially better than a human being in each of those directions. It can predict collisions better than you, in that regard. Where most people would in fact be rear-ended in that circumstance, a autonomous vehicle could be capable of dodging multiple vehicles. If you had 4 self driving vehicles approaching a 4-way intersection from different directions, they could conceivably even telegraph information about that one person who was going to rear end your vehicle, and act in symphony to allow your individual vehicle to move through the intersection in that emergency situation.Originally Posted by bluej511
A self driving car isn't going to take off at a red light if someone comes up behind you and rear ends you, but your brain (you know because youre looking in your rear view mirror) might make you take off and turn right at the intersection instead of being rear ended at 50mph.
Exactly, never mind that they're made by human hands, so what can go wrong eventually will.
Man you have so much faith on this its absolutely ridiculous. If you think a car even an autonomous one can instantly stop then man you clearly have no knowledge of the automotive world lol.Originally Posted by Mookster
Why not? A self driving car could monitor traffic in all directions at the same time, and potentially better than a human being in each of those directions. It can predict collisions better than you, in that regard. Where most people would in fact be rear-ended in that circumstance, a autonomous vehicle could be capable of dodging multiple vehicles. If you had 4 self driving vehicles approaching a 4-way intersection from different directions, they could conceivably even telegraph information about that one person who was going to rear end your vehicle, and act in symphony to allow your individual vehicle to move through the intersection to avoid that crash.
The hardware is only about a decade away from being affordable; the software is currently being developed. I see no reason for your skepticism about the capabilities of autonomous vehicles -- the sky is the limit, for them. Human limitations are well known, accepted, and it's almost impossible to move beyond them.
See, this is why autonomous vehicles are better than you. Autonomous vehicles can calculate and know the limitations of it's own and other vehicles simultaneously, with razor sharp accuracy. You are the one who can't predict the speed of an oncoming vehicle -- you're the one who can't be sure when you need to begin taking corrective action. A computer can monitor a vehicle, in real-time, as it approaches; it can know the exact moment when that vehicle is no longer capable of breaking in time to prevent the collision. The autonomous vehicle can make these calculations faster and more accurately than you can, and it can also collect more relevant information than you do. It can perform these vastly different calculations in parallel, too, which would be exceedingly difficult for you. Most importantly, it can communicate effectively to other autonomous vehicles, which means they can also react to this impending collision before it's even within the sight of their sensing hardware -- networking, my friend, humans can't communicate that fast.Originally Posted by bluej511
Man you have so much faith on this its absolutely ridiculous. If you think a car even an autonomous one can instantly stop then man you clearly have no knowledge of the automotive world lol.
A car is still a car, self driven or not it still functions exactly the same. Unless you're planning on adding 12" carbon brakes on your average car then its still going to take a while to stop. Only difference between a human and autonomous car is going to be reaction time and that makes little to no difference.
If it's going to crash it's going to crash. You think an autonomous car would drive thru a red light with other autonomous cars going around and that those cars are going to stop instantly lol. Bro come on now, you sound like you work for Uber autonomy lol.
My racing license and lightning fast reaction time begs to differ with you.Originally Posted by Mookster
See, this is why autonomous vehicles are better than you. Autonomous vehicles can calculate and know the limitations of it's own and other vehicles simultaneously, with razor sharp accuracy. You are the one who can't predict the speed of an oncoming vehicle -- you're the one who can't be sure when you need to begin taking corrective action. A computer can monitor a vehicle, in real-time, as it approaches; it can know the exact moment when that vehicle is no longer capable of breaking in time to prevent the collision. The autonomous vehicle can make these calculations faster and more accurately than you can, and it can also collect more relevant information than you do. It can perform these vastly different calculations in parallel, too, which would be exceedingly difficult for you. Most importantly, it can communicate effectively to other autonomous vehicles, which means they can also react to this impending collision before it's even within the sight of their sensing hardware -- networking, my friend, humans can't communicate that fast.
"If it's going to crash it's going to crash" is your way of looking at it, because you know that by the time you noticed the severity of the situation, it's already too late to do something about it. An autonomous vehicle can gather information and make decisions long before it gets to that point.. every, single, time.
I mean seriously, do you have any idea how many calculations your computer makes reliably each second to do something like show you a Youtube video or make a forum post? The reliability is unfathomably more advanced that human cognition.
If you plan on basing your argument on the notion that humans are superior drivers, you're going to lose every single time. That argument will be valid for a decade, at a maximum. You're going to want to focus on the economic / human rights aspect of this argument, because humans are practically dinosaurs compared to what's on the horizon.
There are approximately 5500 vehicular incidents in Finland per year, year over year, producing approximately 6600 injuries and 280 fatalities per year.Originally Posted by bluej511
My racing license and lightning fast reaction time begs to differ with you.
Ever wonder why European who have much higher highway speeds then Americans crash less and die less? Because instead of spending BILLIONS on idiotic technology they spend millions on teaching people how to drive. Something the US doesn't do. Just look up at Finnish driving tests, the amount of driving lessons and drive time they go thru before even getting a license.
Go back to work at Uber man and stop posting garbage on here. As if software is 100% reliable lol. Dude you make me laugh
Can vouch for this, driving competency tests in the US are a joke. You can literally get by with a 10 question written exam and a 20 minute road test. That's it.Originally Posted by bluej511
My racing license and lightning fast reaction time begs to differ with you.
Ever wonder why European who have much higher highway speeds then Americans crash less and die less? Because instead of spending BILLIONS on idiotic technology they spend millions on teaching people how to drive. Something the US doesn't do. Just look up at Finnish driving tests, the amount of driving lessons and drive time they go thru before even getting a license.
Go back to work at Uber man and stop posting garbage on here. As if software is 100% reliable lol. Dude you make me laugh