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You are assuming they have meaningful wavelength data.
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I thought that was fairly well nailed-down by Einstein's equations? Bringing up the old 2-dimensional analogy:



As far as light is concerned, it's always traveling in a straight line. But since gravity curves space itself, light simply follows that curve. Therefore gravity bends light.

So the actual question you should be asking is "why does gravity bend space?", which leads to "why do objects have gravity?", which in turn leads to "what even IS gravity??". Now those are some really core fundamental questions that prove just how little we know tongue.gif

I totally agree that we have no idea what actually happens beyond the event horizon, and we may possibly never know.

Yup, light curvature follows precisely what Relativity predicts.

As for those other questions, try and dig into some Quantum Field Theory which actually explains everything quite elegantly. The math and such is WAY over my head but it seems to be able to answer all those core questions.
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By today's standards Einstein was just a guy who had a lot of time on his hands biggrin.gif
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By today's standards Einstein was just a guy who had a lot of time on his hands biggrin.gif
(citation needed)
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By today's standards Einstein was just a guy who had a lot of time on his hands biggrin.gif

and a good head start.
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By today's standards Einstein was just a guy who had a lot of time on his hands biggrin.gif

Relatively speaking, of course drum.gif
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Nuh uh.
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Yah huh.

Amazing how theoretical physics can reduce an extremely smart forum to a bunch of bickering schoolyard children.
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Amazing how theoretical physics can reduce an extremely smart forum to a bunch of bickering schoolyard children.

Lol, while true, these forums do seem to have a much more educated user base than most forums, we are still talking about the Theoretical Physics here. AKA the stuff that the most brilliant minds on the planet spend their entire lives working on and requires the most expensive and complex machines ever created by mankind to attempt to provide quantifiable data to prove or disprove.

Even with a more intelligent and educated user base, "Yah-uh" and "Nah-uh" is about the best we can do.
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Lol, while true, these forums do seem to have a much more educated user base than most forums, we are still talking about the Theoretical Physics here. AKA the stuff that the most brilliant minds on the planet spend their entire lives working on and requires the most expensive and complex machines ever created by mankind to attempt to provide quantifiable data to prove or disprove.

We need to remember that real discourse outside of a university setting is often bloody and confrontational; this is human nature. Good luck getting people to 'play nice', lol.

I've learned quite a bit in this thread (from the legitimate voices at least).
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Lol, while true, these forums do seem to have a much more educated user base than most forums, we are still talking about the Theoretical Physics here. AKA the stuff that the most brilliant minds on the planet spend their entire lives working on and requires the most expensive and complex machines ever created by mankind to attempt to provide quantifiable data to prove or disprove.

Even with a more intelligent and educated user base, "Yah-uh" and "Nah-uh" is about the best we can do.




..............Nah uh >: (
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I think the James Webb Space Telescope is going to transform a lot of our understanding of science in 2019 when it takes over the Hubble.

If it is 4-6x more powerful than Hubble, that means it can see further away (/back in time) in which case... lets say it sees a galaxy 15.9 billion years away... would that disprove the big bang theory and its 13.8 billion year old calculation?
    
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